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Old 01-17-2012, 8:09 PM
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Hello all again. After a long process of application, denial, appeal, denial I find myself here again. Any recommendations on reapplication or contacting a legal representative? Are we at a point where I can expect change?
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Seems like the Ventura County section here has died off while other counties are going strong. What was your "good cause"?
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Hello all again. After a long process of application, denial, appeal, denial I find myself here again. Any recommendations on reapplication or contacting a legal representative? Are we at a point where I can expect change?
I think Ventura has a few areas where it's possible to improve 'pre-bear'; certainly Scocca plays into this.

Are there clear and incontrovertible instances of EP violations in Ventura post-policy changes? We simply don't know yet.

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but wouldnt applying and being denied so we get that data affect (hope i used the right one) a persons chance of getting a ltc in the future if they get denied. even if it isnt in the state or at least from a different county if that individual happened to move?
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but wouldnt applying and being denied so we get that data affect (hope i used the right one) a persons chance of getting a ltc in the future if they get denied. even if it isnt in the state or at least from a different county if that individual happened to move?
I know of no legitimate reason that a previous denial would negatively impact a future application.
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i dont really follow these things but i know people have been denied, and that the application asks if you have ever been denied. so i figured that some less than glamorous sheriffs would use this against an applicant. so i was just wondering
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Seems like the Ventura County section here has died off while other counties are going strong. What was your "good cause"?
Perhaps some of the reason some have grown more sour to the VC process (lack of updates) is that now they require funds up front for the process which utimately denies your application.

Before they denied your application for free.

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Perhaps some of the reason some have grown more sour to the VC process (lack of updates) is that now they require funds up front for the process which utimately denies your application.

Before they denied your application for free.

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Understand that there is both a tactical and strategic benefit to the process we outline in our Guides/Model Policy/Fees Quick Reference.

Yes, you will now pay fees in accordance with the statutory framework. Note, however, what that does for [A] duties and time-frames and [B] re-application processing and fees.

I'm not sure what you mean by "(lack of updates)" as relates to "the VC process"; as I mentioned in an earlier comment, "I think Ventura has a few areas where it's possible to improve 'pre-bear'; certainly Scocca plays into this."

We've moved Ventura into one of the best strategic positions - if not the best - in the state. Are we done? No, of course not - but much [if not all] of what remains will be addressed in ongoing or forthcoming litigation (and another project, announced soon), and not necessarily directly in Ventura.

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Ok. My GC was Identical to multiple good causes. With supporting documents. No history to refute "good moral character". Seems like the good ol' boys club wins again... for now. I will continue to donate to local efforts and look forward to seeing our "elitist" groups held to our standards.
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an additional question: If I have paid for livescan and the application process, how do I go about having my funds returned to me?
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an additional question: If I have paid for livescan and the application process, how do I go about having my funds returned to me?
I'm not sure I follow: why would any funds be returned to you? Did their collection exceed those allowable fees as stated in our fee guide?

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Ok. My GC was Identical to multiple good causes. With supporting documents. No history to refute "good moral character". Seems like the good ol' boys club wins again... for now. I will continue to donate to local efforts and look forward to seeing our "elitist" groups held to our standards.
I think this might be a factor of timing, but it could be what the sheriff's application of discretion looks like.

You might think about re-applying now that it's post-Jan 1 with a letter indicating how your GC is congruent with those already approved (and show them how).

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I apologize for any inaccuracy as I am at work, but I paid for the application fee and I also paid for the livescan process (fingerprinting). I am sure it is more than on the fee schedule at cgf.org. I will check my records when I get home. I assume that with a reapplication (by printing forms from CGF) and attatched letter of like GC I will not be charged again..?
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Understand that there is both a tactical and strategic benefit to the process we outline in our Guides/Model Policy/Fees Quick Reference.

Yes, you will now pay fees in accordance with the statutory framework. Note, however, what that does for [A] duties and time-frames and [B] re-application processing and fees.

I'm not sure what you mean by "(lack of updates)" as relates to "the VC process"; as I mentioned in an earlier comment, "I think Ventura has a few areas where it's possible to improve 'pre-bear'; certainly Scocca plays into this."

We've moved Ventura into one of the best strategic positions - if not the best - in the state. Are we done? No, of course not - but much [if not all] of what remains will be addressed in ongoing or forthcoming litigation (and another project, announced soon), and not necessarily directly in Ventura.

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Thanks Brandon- I appreciate yours and others efforts in fighting the good fight. My comment on updates was relative to lack of updates in this thread from applicants tranversing the new system.

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I apologize for any inaccuracy as I am at work, but I paid for the application fee and I also paid for the livescan process (fingerprinting). I am sure it is more than on the fee schedule at cgf.org. I will check my records when I get home. I assume that with a reapplication (by printing forms from CGF) and attatched letter of like GC I will not be charged again..?
I think you'll find the fee guide (as well as the other guides, FAQs, and Model Policy) informative and helpful to understanding how the laws and fees are structured.

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Thank you Brandon. I've got what I need. Apologies I overlooked that guide
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Has anyone reapplied since Jan 1st of 2012 with the Standard form available online?

Second, when filling out the form via acrobat reader there is not adequate room for some of the case filings or notations
Are you using this form?

Also, given that you previously applied and are making the above post, I suspect you haven't read our guides with respect to re-applications/renewals and requirements for forms.

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Great team at the VCSO. The system has definitely become much more streamlined and efficient. Records and Deputys are great people to work with. Hopefully the application process reflects the new changes in the LTC process with an outstanding constitutional approval process. :-)
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Great team at the VCSO. The system has definitely become much more streamlined and efficient. Records and Deputys are great people to work with. Hopefully the application process reflects the new changes in the LTC process with an outstanding constitutional approval process. :-)
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What is current contact info if I need to contact a CalGuns representative about a denial letter I received from VCSO?
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Is anyone else having issues downloading the "Ventura Approved Good Cause Statements (Sheriff Dean)" .pdf file?

I've tried multiple times and each time have received the "Error while downloading file" blue window at the top of the repopulated page.
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I've tried multiple times and each time have received the "Error while downloading file" blue window at the top of the repopulated page.
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Is anyone else having issues downloading the "Ventura Approved Good Cause Statements (Sheriff Dean)" .pdf file?

I've tried multiple times and each time have received the "Error while downloading file" blue window at the top of the repopulated page.
Good luck using GC's he has approved before such as Self Defense or other.

It's not an equitable system.

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Good luck using GC's he has approved before such as Self Defense or other.

It's not an equitable system.

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You mention self defense. Are the "self-defense" GCS, more of a general nature or a "I've received threats towards self and family" nature?
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You mention self defense. Are the "self-defense" GCS, more of a general nature or a "I've received threats towards self and family" nature?
The link works now, you can download and read the Good Cause statements...
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You mention self defense. Are the "self-defense" GCS, more of a general nature or a "I've received threats towards self and family" nature?
Your question as applied to the released statements.

IMO- I would think simply stated "Self Defense" GC's, without further explanation noted as required, would represent the basic need for self defense which would include any current or future threats.

Not certain where Sheriff Dean stands in regard to equitable acceptance of GC statements or moral character.

The go/no go criteria applied to GC's should be an easy benchmark to understand. As the released statements show, a "Self Defense" justification is acceptable. It's the moral character aspect that Dean has the most wiggle room and becomes concerning if applicant is denied and meets following criteria-

- Has no felony convictions
- Is not a prohibitive person from owing firearms
- Has passed recent DOJ background checks for purchase of firearms
- Passed background checks from other States & obtained non- resident LTC's

If an applicant meets documented acceptable GC such as '"Self Defense", and meets the before mentioned moral character bullets, then one must question why there are inconsistency's in the approval process.

That may just be for the courts to decide.

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Your question as applied to the released statements.

IMO- I would think simply stated "Self Defense" GC's, without further explanation noted as required, would represent the basic need for self defense which would include any current or future threats.

Not certain where Sheriff Dean stands in regard to equitable acceptance of GC statements or moral character.

The go/no go criteria applied to GC's should be an easy benchmark to understand. As the released statements show, a "Self Defense" justification is acceptable. It's the moral character aspect that Dean has the most wiggle room and becomes concerning if applicant is denied and meets following criteria-

- Has no felony convictions
- Is not a prohibitive person from owing firearms
- Has passed recent DOJ background checks for purchase of firearms
- Passed background checks from other States & obtained non- resident LTC's

If an applicant meets documented acceptable GC such as '"Self Defense", and meets the before mentioned moral character bullets, then one must question why there are inconsistency's in the approval process.

That may just be for the courts to decide.

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Has there been a CGF volunteer test case yet? With a declined identical good cause, are there plans to bring suit? Are we waiting for Peruta? Nordyke?
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Scocca is stayed 6 months pending Nordyke, possibly longer. Richards is stayed on Nordyke. 2A in the 9th Circuit is pretty much on hold until Nordyke resolves.

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p.s. That doesn't mean we won't file any new cases, but it does mean that we're going to focus on those areas and matters which can be improved during the stay.
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That's many MONTHS quicker than my process went. Good sign!
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That's many MONTHS quicker than my process went. Good sign!
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Yes. It took about 14 months total.
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Recently recieved my LTC. Everyone at VCSO very good to work with. Took about 4 months.
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