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Old 01-25-2012, 7:39 AM
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Two questions:

1. If I'm receiving death threats, will it improve my chances to get a LTC in LA County?
1a. If yes, anyone want to send me some death threats?

2. If someone hires me to be his or her bodyguard, will it improve my chances?
2a. If yes, would it suffice if I were to hire myself as my own bodyguard (of course, I would provide compensation and an employment contract)?

Just trying to think outside the box, maybe.
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Two questions:

1. If I'm receiving death threats, will it improve my chances to get a LTC in LA County?
1a. If yes, anyone want to send me some death threats?

2. If someone hires me to be his or her bodyguard, will it improve my chances?
2a. If yes, would it suffice if I were to hire myself as my own bodyguard (of course, I would provide compensation and an employment contract)?

Just trying to think outside the box, maybe.
1. Not likely

2. Only if the person you are hired to protect submitted the proper bribe forms and was shown to be famous in need of protection.
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San Carlos, CA (March 9, 2012) – Continuing its Carry License Sunshine and Compliance Initiative, The Calguns Foundation (CGF) has filed a lawsuit today in Los Angeles Superior Court against Los Angeles Sheriff Leroy “Lee” Baca, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and Los Angeles County. The case, entitled Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al., challenges the Sheriff’s ban on accepting and processing applications for carry licenses submitted by city residents.

The Calguns Foundation is joined in the lawsuit, by three individual plaintiffs.

“Sheriff Baca made the unfortunate decision to repeat historical failure,” noted CGF Chairman Gene Hoffman. “Apparently, the Sheriff and County do not feel bound to follow the precedent they set when the California Court of Appeals ruled against them in 1976. We look forward to refreshing their memory.”

In the case of Salute v. Pitchess, the Court held that “[i]t is the duty of the sheriff to make . . . an investigation and determination, on an individual basis, on every application” for a handgun carry license. Then-Los Angeles Sheriff Peter Pitchess had “a fixed policy of not granting applications . . . … except in a limited number of cases.”

California requires that people who desire to carry a handgun for self defense be licensed by the sheriff of the county in which they reside, or, at the applicants’ option, they can apply to their city’s chief of police. However, sheriffs cannot require applicants to first apply to and be denied by a city’s chief of police as a prerequisite to application.

“The State of California very intentionally established a standardized carry license framework: if you’re a sheriff, you have a duty to administer the carry license program for all residents of your county,” clarified Brandon Combs, an officer of CGF and director of the Carry License Initiative. “Sheriff Baca’s intent in enforcing these unlawful regulations is quite clear: make it as difficult as possible for law-abiding residents of Los Angeles County to defend their lives and those of their families. Not only does he treat some deserving applicants differently than others, he uses the rejections by cities’ chiefs of police - that his policy requires - as evidence against the applicants when they apply to him.”

“Jennifer Lu and the other plaintiffs have every reason to desire a handgun carry license, not the least of which is that it is their fundamental right under the Constitution as Federal courts in both West Virginia and Maryland ruled earlier this week,” said Jason Davis, attorney for the plaintiffs. “Sheriff Baca is circumventing state and constitutional law, and we’re confident that this case will bear that out.”

A copy of the complaint and case filings can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/lu_v_baca.
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San Carlos, CA (March 9, 2012) – Continuing its Carry License Sunshine and Compliance Initiative, The Calguns Foundation (CGF) has filed a lawsuit today in Los Angeles Superior Court against Los Angeles Sheriff Leroy “Lee” Baca, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and Los Angeles County. The case, entitled Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al., challenges the Sheriff’s ban on accepting and processing applications for carry licenses submitted by city residents.

The Calguns Foundation is joined in the lawsuit, by three individual plaintiffs.

“Sheriff Baca made the unfortunate decision to repeat historical failure,” noted CGF Chairman Gene Hoffman. “Apparently, the Sheriff and County do not feel bound to follow the precedent they set when the California Court of Appeals ruled against them in 1976. We look forward to refreshing their memory.”

In the case of Salute v. Pitchess, the Court held that “[i]t is the duty of the sheriff to make . . . an investigation and determination, on an individual basis, on every application” for a handgun carry license. Then-Los Angeles Sheriff Peter Pitchess had “a fixed policy of not granting applications . . . … except in a limited number of cases.”

California requires that people who desire to carry a handgun for self defense be licensed by the sheriff of the county in which they reside, or, at the applicants’ option, they can apply to their city’s chief of police. However, sheriffs cannot require applicants to first apply to and be denied by a city’s chief of police as a prerequisite to application.

“The State of California very intentionally established a standardized carry license framework: if you’re a sheriff, you have a duty to administer the carry license program for all residents of your county,” clarified Brandon Combs, an officer of CGF and director of the Carry License Initiative. “Sheriff Baca’s intent in enforcing these unlawful regulations is quite clear: make it as difficult as possible for law-abiding residents of Los Angeles County to defend their lives and those of their families. Not only does he treat some deserving applicants differently than others, he uses the rejections by cities’ chiefs of police - that his policy requires - as evidence against the applicants when they apply to him.”

“Jennifer Lu and the other plaintiffs have every reason to desire a handgun carry license, not the least of which is that it is their fundamental right under the Constitution as Federal courts in both West Virginia and Maryland ruled earlier this week,” said Jason Davis, attorney for the plaintiffs. “Sheriff Baca is circumventing state and constitutional law, and we’re confident that this case will bear that out.”

A copy of the complaint and case filings can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/lu_v_baca.

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Donation sent, thanks: Jennifer Lu, et al. v. County of Los Angeles, et al.
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So should i start applying yet? It seems to me that the sunshine act has momentum and la wont takt the courts long now that there is a precendent? Anyone have a rough guideline for how log it will be till i can carry?
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So should i start applying yet? It seems to me that the sunshine act has momentum and la wont takt the courts long now that there is a precendent? Anyone have a rough guideline for how log it will be till i can carry?
I would hold off. From what I've seen CGF will make a thread titled "LA County, time to apply" when the time is right. Not to say you shouldn't apply now, just something to think about.
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If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

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If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

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If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Chaplain Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

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Their current, illegal, policy makes a county resident do this, yes. However, that's the point of this lawsuit. When, not if, the lawsuit is won, you will not have to apply to your city PD first. So again, apply if you'd like, but personally I would wait.
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Brandon, I've noticed you have started using allot of 'short' URL redirects. Could you please just post normal URLs so we at least know where we are going?

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If one lives within the city limits of LA, as I read it, I would have to apply to the LAPD (Charlie Chaplain Beck) and if denied would have to apply to the LASD ?

Could I just apply to the LASD and skip the LAPD part ?

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Brandon & the other chap who also replied to my query:

Yes I did read that, I just wanted clarification that I interpreted it correctly.

I was not planning on applying until such time as "the word" filters down to us on here. I don't have the time and money to spend on something that'll get denied flat out. It can wait until such time as it will be expeditious for us all to apply.

Thanks for the prompt answers. It's nice to have some good "go to" blokes on here.

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But isn't Baca already denying applications made directly to the SO anyway?

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Brandon, I've noticed you have started using allot of 'short' URL redirects. Could you please just post normal URLs so we at least know where we are going?

http://calgunsfoundation.org/news-bl...-lee-baca.html

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You must be new to the internets...
There's really no reason to use URL shorteners in normal email or forum posts., though they do have a place in short formats like Twitter.

The problem is, one can never know where the link goes... sure, it's probably a story relevent to the topic at hand, but it could also be a malware auto-installer site. Even if the message is from a trusted user, their account could have been compromised and the malicious short URL is actually coming from a bad guy...

This is becoming incrasingly popular since most people have been trained to immediately click a short link without thinking about it. Few people take the time to copy the link and go to a URL expander to see where it really leads... personally, I've found several short links that lead to malware sites (none here on CalGuns, though)

On a related note, always be sure to hover the cursor over a link and read where it really leads to before clicking it... the text could say one thing while the code leads to an entirely different location...

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I imagine he's just using the same links from twitter. I don't really care one way or other. I'm confident in my own internal security enough but do generally like to mouse over and see where it's going but no big deal to me.

On topic, I was a bit disappointed I couldn't find any reference to this suit on the LA Times site, though not too surprised.
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There's really no reason to use URL shorteners in normal email or forum posts., though they do have a place in short formats like Twitter.

The problem is, one can never know where the link goes... sure, it's probably a story relevent to the topic at hand, but it could also be a malware auto-installer site. Even if the message is from a trusted user, their account could have been compromised and the malicious short URL is actually coming from a bad guy...

This is becoming incrasingly popular since most people have been trained to immediately click a short link without thinking about it. Few people take the time to copy the link and go to a URL expander to see where it really leads... personally, I've found several short links that lead to malware sites (none here on CalGuns, though)

On a related note, always be sure to hover the cursor over a link and read where it really leads to before clicking it... the text could say one thing while the code leads to an entirely different location...

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I'm not being anxious or antsy....but I'd like to know what people's ideas of a realistic time frame for CCW is in Los Angeles County. 1 year, 5 years, more? Less?
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I'm not being anxious or antsy....but I'd like to know what people's ideas of a realistic time frame for CCW is in Los Angeles County. 1 year, 5 years, more? Less?
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I thought I read somewhere in CG that the Sheriffs Dept's all had to have their LTC information/application available. I've been searching for the last 45min or so and havent found ANYTHING relating to LTC/CCW. Even their little search engine has few hits and the only one that comes close is a link to FAQ re: renew a LTC for LASD retirees.
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I see two weeks a lot on here, is that an inside joke or for real?
Inside joke

IIRC it was about DOJ Division of Firearms (back then) saying all OLLs would be banned in 2 weeks.

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I thought I read somewhere in CG that the Sheriffs Dept's all had to have their LTC information/application available. I've been searching for the last 45min or so and havent found ANYTHING relating to LTC/CCW. Even their little search engine has few hits and the only one that comes close is a link to FAQ re: renew a LTC for LASD retirees.
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Inside joke

IIRC it was about DOJ Division of Firearms (back then) saying all OLLs would be banned in 2 weeks.

Other calgunners please chime in.
I will chime in... In two weeks.
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So is CCW/LTC or whatever people want to call it still a nogo?

What I've gathered from the thread so far is that things may be changing (in two weeks) but despite your neighborhood, being threatened, or carrying around expensive equipment or large amounts of cash we will still be denied.

I think it's a shame that as a war vet I spend more time worried about the next time I'm confronted by MS13 (which has been multiple times), guys stopping in front of our house with weapons (and obviously looking for someone to shoot), or the gunfire (including what was clearly automatic) I hear nearby than I ever really had to consider morters, IEDs, or attacks from insurgents (perhaps being armed helped with those issues =D ).

Currently moving isn't an option.

Yet cops think that they're around enough for us not to need to carry weapons to protect ourselves? If that were the case, none of the above would be an issue.

Thankfully I do know a famous guy or two. Is becoming a "bodyguard" for them really the only option that's even remotely possible? Carrying a folding knife to dissuade the various gang people around here just isn't going to cut it. If they're firing shots at each other over a turf dispute they obviously don't give a damn about which laws (city, state, federal) they violate. The last thing I want to do is to give an assbackwards system more money just to be denied.

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So is CCW/LTC or whatever people want to call it still a nogo?

What I've gathered from the thread so far is that things may be changing (in two weeks) but despite your neighborhood, being threatened, or carrying around expensive equipment or large amounts of cash we will still be denied.

I think it's a shame that as a war vet I spend more time worried about the next time I'm confronted by MS13 (which has been multiple times), guys stopping in front of our house with weapons (and obviously looking for someone to shoot), or the gunfire (including what was clearly automatic) I hear nearby than I ever really had to consider morters, IEDs, or attacks from insurgents (perhaps being armed helped with those issues =D ).

Currently moving isn't an option.

Yet cops think that they're around enough for us not to need to carry weapons to protect ourselves? If that were the case, none of the above would be an issue.

Thankfully I do know a famous guy or two. Is becoming a "bodyguard" for them really the only option that's even remotely possible? Carrying a folding knife to dissuade the various gang people around here just isn't going to cut it. If they're firing shots at each other over a turf dispute they obviously don't give a damn about which laws (city, state, federal) they violate. The last thing I want to do is to give an assbackwards system more money just to be denied.
Unfortunately the law does not move as quickly as any of us would like, so at this point, yes it is a nogo.
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How's the city of San Gabriel with their apps ? I'm looking at their fee schedule and it says $150.00 service fee.
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I see two weeks a lot on here, is that an inside joke or for real?
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I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.

2. What can I do to help this cause?
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You can appeal it, take it to court. It will all depend on the judge. My friend got denied and appealed it and judge over turned it and he was issued his licsence.
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I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133

2. What can I do to help this cause?
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...s-angeles.html
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133
Thats all I can think of right now.
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Old 09-02-2012, 6:56 AM
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I have a few questions pertaining to the lawsuit.

1. How can we follow the status of the legal proceedings for those of us that are interested.
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133

2. What can I do to help this cause?
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ccw-initiative/107-los-angeles.html
* http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=612133
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Thats all I can think of right now.

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