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Old 11-14-2013, 9:00 PM
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Ok but still not a rifle right since its 10.75' barrel and only 26' OAL so I guess its a AOW if that is true I hope you got the paperwork for it
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As many industry insiders are aware, the addition of a secondary vertical grip to a pistol creates a class of firearm called an “AOW,” or any other weapon and requires an NFA tax stamp. Franklin Armory management made the argument to ATF that the XO-26 configuration above is not readily concealable and therefore should not be classified as an AOW even though it has a secondary grip. ATF agreed.

On March 14, 2011, the Chief of The Firearms Technology Branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, authorized the sale of the above configuration without the need for any NFA permits! What is shocking is that it was also defined as a non-pistol. The 4473 would only need to be filled out with “other” checked off. Franklin Armory is proud to be the first company in the nation to be able to shepherd this project into fruition.

California residents will find that 12001 PC will still define this firearm as a pistol, but thankfully there is not an analog to the AOW classification in state law. California buyers will have to be at least 21 years of age, and the DROS form will require one to check “Pistol.”

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The XO-26 is a cross over between rifles and pistols. The 26 refers to the absolute minimum length of the firearm as allotted by federal law. However, we chose to make the length an inch longer than necessary so that it would still be long enough to qualify as a non-AOW even if the muzzle device was removed. This length also makes it easier to see the chamber indication."

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Old 11-25-2013, 1:37 PM
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Can't really see my AR pistol to well, first time I tried bump firing. even with gloves on my fingers where cold

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Old 11-29-2013, 1:35 PM
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Tm lower with troy industries grip rail sights bolt release sling and a pws diablo break chambered in 7.62x39
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Old 11-29-2013, 1:42 PM
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Recently changed my config. Replaced the PWS 7.5” Diablo upper with a PWS MK1 Mod 1 10.75” upper, also a 5.56 NATO long stroke piston system. A vertical foregrip can be used since the firearm is no longer classified as a handgun or pistol (not designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand), is over the ATF 26” minimum OAL, and not subject to the NFA/AOW classification since it’s OAL is at least 26” and is not actually concealed on a person. BTW, the keymod rail system is really convenient and lightweight.

By this.. I would imagine mine meets this same definition ..
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Old 12-03-2013, 8:57 AM
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Old 12-03-2013, 8:58 AM
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"here" leads to a pic of a ruger...


Or it did. Not fast enough

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Old 12-03-2013, 9:03 AM
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"here" leads to a pic of a ruger...


Or it did. Not fast enough

Sweet pistol though!
You clicked quick as I had that fixed in like 30 seconds of posting.
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You clicked quick as I had that fixed in like 30 seconds of posting.
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Old 12-03-2013, 9:19 AM
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Old 12-03-2013, 9:28 AM
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Here's mine.
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what side folder adapter is that?
I believe thats a sling mount adapter, something like this:

http://item.brownells.com/categories...nt-wswivel.htm
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I believe thats a sling mount adapter, something like this:

http://item.brownells.com/categories...nt-wswivel.htm
That is correct.
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I believe thats a sling mount adapter
Whoops, looked like a side folder adapter to me
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Old 12-05-2013, 3:07 PM
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Heres my AR pistol, 80% lower, Complete noveske upper with ris fsp 2 rail.


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10.5" barrel with pinned brake, OAL 27"
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Old 12-16-2013, 11:07 AM
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I know those shavings on the table lol


I had a chance to shoot it yesterday finally. Worked great, not really any fireball. Slow-mo video of recoil was interesting. Tried to use the buffer tube as a cheekrest and the sight hit my glasses... oops.
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I had a chance to shoot it yesterday finally. Worked great, not really any fireball. Slow-mo video of recoil was interesting. Tried to use the buffer tube as a cheekrest and the sight hit my glasses... oops.
Thats interesting, is that a 7.5" barrel? My 10.5 spits them pretty well with the current brake, but with the A1 FH before it wasnt noticeable. I would think the piggy on your barrel would live up to its name
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Old 12-16-2013, 1:02 PM
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Thats interesting, is that a 7.5" barrel? My 10.5 spits them pretty well with the current brake, but with the A1 FH before it wasnt noticeable. I would think the piggy on your barrel would live up to its name
Yeah, 7.5" barrel from the gunsmoke 2nd gen pistol kit. I thought about taking the KX3 off and seeing if it made a difference but didn't want to mess with it at the range.
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Old 12-18-2013, 3:52 PM
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Pistol Pron, Glock fed 9mm that's about to get a buttstock........I mean stabilizing brace.

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I've heard that optics can break at inopportune times, so I figured I needed some redundancy

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Kind off topic. Thinking on getting an AR pistol. I do have a question though. Are AR pistol required to have a tool release the magazine?

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Old 12-18-2013, 8:16 PM
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The start of my AR47 pistol.
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The start of my AR47 pistol.
You freestaters and half invisible guns. Mine looked like that for a while.
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Here is mine, shoots unbelievably good - very happy with it. This is a file attachment because I can't figure out how to display the pic like you guys did. whatever
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Here is mine, shoots unbelievably good - very happy with it. This is a file attachment because I can't figure out how to display the pic like you guys did. whatever
Get the HTTP location of the picture. Add "[IMG]" before the image location URL and "[/IMG]" after the location url (minus the quotation marks).

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Kind off topic. Thinking on getting an AR pistol. I do have a question though. Are AR pistol required to have a tool release the magazine?
You mean maglock, requiring a tool to drop the magazine? Yes they need one if in CA
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You mean maglock, requiring a tool to drop the magazine? Yes they need one if in CA
I would think since it is a "Pistol" that it wouldn't but oh well. I was just wondering but not surprised.
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I would think since it is a "Pistol" that it wouldn't but oh well. I was just wondering but not surprised.

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also
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(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.

with a maglock, it doesn't have a ca-defined detachable magazine, so it is legal.

without a maglock, it does have a detachable magazine outside the pistol grip, along with other evil features, and would be an illegal AW.
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30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also
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(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
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with a maglock, it doesn't have a ca-defined detachable magazine, so it is legal.

without a maglock, it does have a detachable magazine outside the pistol grip, along with other evil features, and would be an illegal AW.
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Thanks fellas. Just want to make sure I build my pistol correctly
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A little progress on my pistol. I found the K2 grip at my LGS and picked up the aluminum enhanced trigger guard. Got the FCG installed for the final time with the oversized match pins that came with the lower.

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A little progress on my pistol. I found the K2 grip at my LGS and picked up the aluminum enhanced trigger guard. Got the FCG installed for the final time with the oversized match pins that came with the lower.

how do you like your K2 grip? Im starting to hate my bcm grip, its too slippery
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how do you like your K2 grip? Im starting to hate my bcm grip, its too slippery
It's pretty decent. I can certainly tell the difference in grip angle between it and the A2 grip. The texture almost reminds me of a Gen4 Glock.
That's about all I can say about it since I haven't really used it much.
I think I'll like it, though.
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