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Basically, donating enough money to the Sheriff’s reelection fund.
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See the Sonoma Co GC standard posted in post #979, immediately above your post for an example of a dark red GC policy. Another example of a dark red GC standard is given at Ala Co SO's website here: Quote:
Here's LASO's CCW webpage: http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html Go through the links in the top right. My GUESS is that "dealing with super expensive cinema gear and being responsible for the transportation of them" would count as a good cause if it is over whatever $$$ requirement AV has set (value determined by $$$ they'd fetch being sold as stolen "on the street," not the $$$ they cost new or the $$$ they'd cost to replace). But I don't know what that $$$ hurdle is. $1,000? $5,000? $10,000? $25,000? More??? Regardless, applying and getting a GC determination is CHEAP -- $10.00 (See p.3 at: http://lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licensing_...April_2019.pdf). Why not apply? Remember: so far, I know of only 1 person who's been issued a CCW by AV. Other than that one person, we don't know what would be accepted as sufficient GC. If you apply, after you get approved or denied, please post or PM me with your GC so that others may get an indication of whether their GC is sufficient. (But do not include so much detail as to ID yourself.) ALL correspondence with me is kept in STRICT confidence.
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There is technically a provision in the law that allows you to apply for a permit in a county other than your residence - but its limitations are so great as to make it unattractive to, I suspect, a large portion of potential applicants.
Basically, if you live in one county and work in another, and spend a substantial portion of your time in your working county, you may apply for a permit in your working county. However, the license is valid only in your working county; it is only valid for up to 90 days; and any renewal requires the approval of your working county IA and your residence county IA. See Section 262200(b) of the Ca Penal Code: Quote:
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If you do NOT live in the City of Los Angeles, but DO live in Los Angeles County, read this and go through the last few pages of that thread: Quote:
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Sheriff AV is issuing, but we don't know yet the "weakest" GC that will pass muster. We know of 1 CCW being issued and their GC, but it would pass even in a dark red county. We've heard other CGNers are applying, including one who says his GC would pass in a yellow county, so in the months ahead, as their apps get processed and they make posts and/or PM me, we should have a better idea of AV's GC standard. IMO, the odds are it will be light red. It costs only $10 to apply and get a GC decision. No applying guarantees you don't get a CCW. So far, Alex889, you haven't given us a clue as to what your GC is like. Tell us (but without so much detail as to ID yourself). Quote:
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It's encouraging seeing LA light red on your map Paladin, better that than the other way around fir sure... But unless we start hearing from ordinary citizens that have obtained a CCW, nothing has changed. AV's interview certainly did nothing to make me feel the local plumber or real estate person etc. that feels they need to carry for self preservation stands any better chance today than they did this time last year.
I hope I am wrong.
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What was extraordinary about them was their GC, not their title, their political connections, position, or donations or anything else. Best not to mix up the two when talking about CCWs. That's a common source of confusion. Focus on the GC requirement and the applicant's GC, whether they're "average" or "ordinary" or any other ambiguous terms. Quote:
The moderator starts off by giving AV an underhanded pitch to knock out of the park justifying being restrictive in issuing CCWs. AV could have easily followed her lead, but he didn't. Instead he said the opposite: he's lowered the GC bar and issuing more CCWs than McDonnell. That speaks volumes, esp when he says it on camera (vs claiming 1-on-1 "I'm pro CCW"). Re: (2) I don't know how you can think a RE agent doesn't have a better chance with AV than with McDonnell. In post #5 above, going by the quote of myself re. the video, a female RE agent who shows residential RE to strangers alone could very well qualify under points #1 & 2. If she's been victimized on the job as well (point #3) and it was reported to the police, I feel pretty much certain that AV will issue her a CCW because that would pass "dark red." If she hadn't been victimized, but has been made to feel fearful (reported to police or employer/broker), she MAY get issued since that would be "light red" level GC. If she hasn't felt fearful (yet), but feels a need to carry since she's regularly so vulnerable, she could get issued if AV has in fact taken LA Co to "yellow." But we'll never know until people apply and get their GCs either denied or approved (for only $10) and let us know. That's why the map uses multiple colors vs B&W to indicated the GC a particular sheriff requires. IOW, we need female RE agents who've been attacked, who've only been frightened and who only feel vulnerable to ALL apply and let us know how it goes so that we can ensure the map reflect reality. We do NOT want people to apply who have no chance, but we do NOT want people to not apply who have a solid chance. We now know AV issues for dark red GC. Great, that's better than McDonnell. We now want to know if AV issues for light red or yellow GC. We can only determine that if people with that level of GC (that they can prove exist), apply and let us know if they get approved or not (again, that costs only $10). How many female residential RE agents are in LA Co? I'd guess thousands. Dittos with property managers who collect cash rents. Add in all the convenience store owners, gas station owners, fast food restaurant owners, Mom & Pop grocery store owners, restaurant owners, bar owners, small shop owners who make regular cash deposits -- that's more thousands, maybe tens of thousands of more people who could qualify. If AV will issue to the managers as well as owners, that may almost double the number. ALL of those categories have a sold chance (IOW, such a good chance they should try applying, esp for only $10), of getting issued if AV has taken LA Co to light red, and would definitely get issued if AV has taken LA Co to yellow. What LA Co CGNers should do is figure out how to reach out to those categories of people to inform them about CCWs and encourage them to apply. CGNers who say no one can get issued or saying nothing's changed with AV until LA Co goes dark green (SD/PP = GC) are not helping our cause, they're hurting it by discouraging all applicants, as well as lying....
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Where does your co-worker live? That can make a world of difference.
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Not directly related but could potentially shift his attitude?
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I’m not quite following by what you meant. Are you saying that he could potentially shift his attitude toward issuing more CCW, or breaking his campaign promise and not issuing more CCW? I think if you mean that he is leaning towards continuing McDonnell’s “policy” and virtually not issuing anymore CCW, that is somewhat expected. |
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As expected, I recieved my denial for a ccw permit from LA County today. I applied following AV's statements indicating he'd be willing to issue to those with certain situations.
My good cause was essentially (paraphrasing): I work in a dangerous area surrounded by very valuable equipment worth millions, in the middle of the night by myself, in a high crime area with a documented history of service requests from the police. I also live in a rural area where response times may be delayed. Denial stated: Dear Mr. Economou We have recieved and reviewed your application for a concealed weapon license. The circumstances, as outlined in the application, do not satisfy the requirements for the existence of good cause and we must, pursuant to our policy, deny your request. Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information: ".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm." "Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license." ____ |
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Another CGNer PMed me with about their recent denial and they felt dark red is the correct color. With the "Bearing Arms" cases before SCOTUS (NYSRPA, Rogers, Gould, Cheeseman), we don't want to waste time with updates when SCOTUS may force nationwide change in our favor (we hope), especially since we say on the map it may be off by 1 color either direction.
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Wow. Really sorry to hear this. That is incredible. Well, it looks like AV has proven himself to be the Sheriff we expected all along and is no different than McDonnell. While I am not surprised by these outcomes, it is still disappointing and discouraging. |
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It seems that AV continues drawing controversies and negative lights upon himself. There was this news earlier in the day:
Fired Deputy Who Was Rehired by Sheriff Villanueva is Ordered to Give Up His Badge and Gun https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...tml?akmobile=o I think it is unlikely that he will start issuing CCWs any time soon, otherwise he will draw even more criticisms and controversies. We traded a bad Sheriff for a worse Sheriff in LA County. |
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CCW application tsunami?
Just for discussion sake, what if there were to be an organized effort to have a very large and diverse number of CCW applications hit the LASD at the same time. This would be in conjunction with a PR effort by 2A groups making the public aware of the sudden flood of applications and of course the eventual denials. Of course the fact that neighboring jurisdictions do issue CCWs would also be pushed. The goal would be more about protest of LASD not issuing and general CCW awareness than expecting them to issue. Perhaps some skilled 2A litigators could also spin some straw into gold as well. Thoughts? |
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I think it would be effective at showing the county to county disparity in issuing CCWs. Maybe a planned "LAC CCW Application Day" set a few months ahead . Kind of a "flash crowd" idea
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This is southern California. I think LASO would bask in the confirmation that they don’t issue many CCWs and the neighboring agencies would take heat because they do.
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This is not an effective protest because the fact is, the sheriff is doing exactly what the voters want him to do. These are the same reasons why gun rights protest marches are a bad idea. Why are leftist protests effective? Because they are actually organized with the cooperation of the existing leadership here and are supported by voters here. None of that applies to us.
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Applications from most cities within LA County are now consolidated at the LA County Sheriff’s Department, but you should call the Cerritos Sheriff’s Station to confirm. |
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I don’t recall any other corroborating evidence to support this statement since the original post was posted. It may be just hearsay, in my opinion. How do we check in two weeks if this is true? Any ideas? |
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(1) I was bumping it as a reminder. (2) It could be that Sheriff AV is watching to see if SCOTUS takes NYSRPA or a Carry case next month. Or it could just be a coincidence that CCWs were also predicted to liberalize next month.
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You're not going to find what doesn't exist.
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The update is that you absolutely ZERO chance of getting a CCW in L.A. County. Move to a CCW friendly county and please don't tell me it can't be done!
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There is no update, there is no change. Paladin hoped there would be a change, so he changed the color on the map. He heard from quite a few folks that nothing had changed but he still wants to play wait and see...
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AV said he'd issue more than previous sheriff, so that, in our mind, ruled out Dark Red. He said he would not accept SD = GC (unlike the other challenger), so that ruled out Dark Green (even though Dark Green includes SOs that require some GC and proof of it). Thus, we could have gone with Light Red, Yellow or Light Green. We went conservative/pessimistic with Light Red and were still disappointed by AV. As far as we can tell, AV hasn't changed the GC standard. Maybe AV will "flip" the way Gore has and eventually liberalize. But until then (or until a SCOTUS/CA9 smack down), virtually none of you can get a LASD CCW. ETA: For those who want a CCW but don't want to even switch counties, IIRC, there's a list somewhere of cities within LA Co with their own PDs that issue CCWs more liberally. Before moving, make sure they issue liberally enough for you to pass. Also, don't forget Chiefs are political appointees and can be easily replaced. Thus you could move, get issued, the chief get replace and then get denied at a renewal, assuming the new chief doesn't just pull all permits. And, of course, we're all waiting for NYSRPA case at SCOTUS before July 01 and, probably next year, for several Carry Cases at SCOTUS (assuming they all don't get granted, vacated, and remanded simultaneously with a NYSRPA decision this year). ETA2: So, for now, do what you should do even when you get to CCW: while in public, stay in "yellow" in Cooper's Color Code; obey the 4-Stupids Rule; and EDC pepper spray. Just those 3 things will prevent most bad things from happening to you and get you out of most of what you can't avoid.
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Digressing from the topic a little bit, I am sure everyone saw the news about the shooting in Texas. This is such an awful incident and innocent lives were lost. Really sad about the good folks who unnecessarily lost their lives. But what an example of how responsible, law abiding armed citizens can stop a potentially much worse massacre. The incident was over within 6 seconds. I wish Dark Red and Light Red counties, including Los Angeles, take notice of this.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/us/te...day/index.html Again, sorry for the digression from the topic. Back to the usual program. |
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Sorry, had to post this one too. I promise this is the last one. The hero who took out the gunman had a great quote:
"You don't know when something bad is going to happen or where it's going to happen. You carry it [your gun] anywhere and everywhere you legally can because you never know when you're going to have to use it." https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/ch...unman/2283824/ |
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