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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
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IDEA for Mech Tech pistol carbine discussion....how to do it in California
Hey all,
I have been wrapping my head around how to legally own a Mech tech carbine and would like some feedback on my idea. I am thinking about starting with a polymer 80 Glock type lower, add a wing to get rid of the pistol grip, send it for engraving and have it engraved as a rifle, upon receiving engraved 80, finish the lower, then register said lower as a rifle. That would allow it to be California compliant and used with a Mech tech upper. I would like to hear any feedback on this idea. Thank you ahead of time! |
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Since it's being made as a featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle, it will also need a fixed shoulder stock and no other restricted feature (no forward pistol grip, no flash suppressor, etc).
Also, once it's made as a rifle, it needs to remain as a rifle. ^Once it's a rifle... If you install a less than 16" barrel to it (such as Glock pistol barrel/slide), it then becomes a SBR. (Requires BATFE and CA DOJ approval to do legally.) |
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There's an ATF letter floating around here and the net that speaks to the change. Brought about primarily as a result of AR 15 and T/C products ease of assembly. I think the Mech Tech system without a shoulder stock, assembled as a handgun or AOW and with or without some type of "SigArm brace" has some promise. Somehow, I'm just not certain and it may involve trimming the barrel to under 16". Last edited by dfletcher; 02-23-2018 at 9:00 PM.. |
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IDEA for Mech Tech pistol carbine discussion....how to do it in California
If I manufacture the 80 lower and have it labeled as a rifle, add a wing to prevent pistol grip, Assemble upper, I could register t as a rifle. It will never be a handgun
The trick will be to have a large enough plate to fit the necessary info to register Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by caseycase1; 02-23-2018 at 11:15 PM.. |
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Under Federal laws/regulations... Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle = legal ^Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = legal Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = illegal. resulting firearm is considered a Ttile 2 SBR and requires BATFE approval to be legal. Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Rifle = legal ^Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = illegal. resulting firearm is considered a Ttile 2 SBR and requires BATFE approval to be legal. Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Handgun = legal ^Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle = legal ^Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = legal The OP is making a firearm from an "80% reciever" and using it to make a rifle. So, he would be doing... Title 1 Other -> Title 1 Rifle.
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If it holds that you don't have a firearm until you've assembled a complete unit able to function and fire... could you just serialize the upper first to federal standards, then modify your paperweight into a featureless grip and magazine well to complete your rifle?
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IDEA for Mech Tech pistol carbine discussion....how to do it in California
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/ca...build.1669089/
For those interested, this is how you modify poly80 lower for Mech Tech Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The Mech Tech unit/upper is not a firearm. It is just a firearm part.
The firearm is the receiver/frame. Under Federal and CA laws, the receiver/frame is the part that needs to have the serial number engraved on it. |
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Thank you sir. I think, with your help, I have all my ducks in a row. I’ll let you know how the process turns out, from making to registering as a featureless rifle Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If you had started with a pistol, removed the slide "upper", and went on the one way trip to change it into a rifle via the MechTech, I'd wholy agree. But if one starts with paperweights and parts and from the start creates a rifle? |
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European firearm laws consider the part that contains the barrel to be the firearm. ^The combination of Euro and US laws, is why Euro made firearms tend to have serial numbers on the barrel, upper receiver, and lower receiver/frame. Under US laws... The Mech Tech unit is a part that goes on a firearm receiver/frame. This is why the Mech Tech unit is not regulated and does not require a FFL to transfer it within the USA. Exporting it to Euro requires US Gov approval and approval from the Gov of the country it's being imported to, because it's considered a firearm under European firearm laws. |
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Alright, I guess I am just dense today. Will someone please explain what the problem is if the 80% "pistol" is made and registered voluntarily as a rifle with the MechTech upper?
As long as it is never configured into a pistol it should not be a problem, as far as I can tell. As well as not having a pistol grip via a fin of some sort or a fixed magazine requiring disassembly for removal, or some other feature of all that Kommifornia assault weapons BS, right? I am no lawyer or deal with laws on a daily basis, so that is why I ask.
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What the problem is CA laws/regulations requires home built firearms with polymer receivers to have a 3.7 oz type 17-4 PH stainless steel insert embedded into the receiver and a serial number engraved onto that stainless steel insert. ^All polymer "80% receivers/frames" do not meet this requirement. |
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IDEA for Mech Tech pistol carbine discussion....how to do it in California
I think the 80 poly pistol manufacturers have already addressed this. Not 100% sure, or you can just mill out the 1911 80 lower
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If the "Glock" type lower is assembled as a rifle only without an intermittent assembly as a handgun, that would trigger SBR, even federally - yes? By way of (federal) example, silly though it may seem - purchase an 80% lower 4473'd as other, purchase a slide kit and assemble as a pistol, then add a Mech Tech upper = OK. Purchase an 80% lower 4473'd as other, purchase a Mech Tech upper and assemble as a rifle, then add a slide kit = SBR, either assembled or as "constructive possession". Yes, no? Last edited by dfletcher; 02-25-2018 at 3:32 PM.. |
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Scenario #1. Federal laws (CA laws)... Completed 80% becomes a Title 1 Other. Install pistol slide kit and it becomes a Title 1 Handgun (CA handgun). Remove pistol kit, install rifle kit, and it is temporarily a Title 1 Rifle (CA rifle). Remove rifle kit, reinstall pistol kit, and it returns to being a Title 1 Handgun (CA SBR). Scenario #2. Federal laws (CA laws)... Completed 80% becomes Title 1 Other. Install rifle kit and it becomes a Title 1 Rifle (CA rifle). Remove rifle kit, install pistol kit, and it becomes a Title 2 SBR (CA SBR). |
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Quiet,
I’m having a hard time verifying what you are saying as the PC is so ambiguous. Have you been over this with a lawyer or are you involved in law? I really appreciate the feedback and it leads me to another question: What is the legality of using a registered factory handgun, say a Glock 20’s lower, with a Mech tech 10mm upper? Because the handgun is registered as a pistol and the slide has been installed, , could I legally convert back and forth to the Mechtech? Thank you ahead of time and thank you for helping me out through this process. I will pay it forward |
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Never mind about my inquiry. So if it begins an “other”, it is legal to go back and forth if you install a slide before converting to carbine. But if it is a designated “pistol” and is converted to carbine, it can never go back to “pistol”, correct? LOL
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