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Rimfire Firearms .22, .17 and other Rimfire Handguns and Rifles |
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.22LR Target Ammo
What are you guys using for your rimfire matches in .22LR? I have a Savage MKIII that I've been itching to get out, I still need to buy scope rings for it and for now gonna put a BSA scope on it that I already have.
I want to initially sight it in at 50yds and work my way up to 200yds but want to use consistent ammo. |
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You're going to want to try a few different flavors. Seems no two guns are guaranteed to perform best with the same ammo.
Try Eley, Lapua, Wolf Match, etc -- all the usual suspects making match-quality ammo.
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Exactly. Get a little of each and try it. Just because wolf shoots like crap for someone and eley tenex works great for them, doesn't mean you'll see the same results.
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25-50 yds I shoot Wolf Match Target or SK Std+ (same ammo actually) exclusively in my Savage MKII BTVS, CZ UltraLux and Kimber 82G. 100yds I use Lapua Center-X (twice the cost of Wolf/SK) in the CZ and Kimber.
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I just checked out the pricing and wow! I'll get it on paper with cheap stuff then move to the good stuff to dial it in. I might actually have some of the Wolf match buried somewhere.
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/167...ead-round-nose and click on "Notify me" and they'll send you an e-mail when it becomes available. I did that for a CMMG LPK a couple of weeks ago and got it for $70 delivered. |
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In 3position, sk and wolf make good practice ammo. A step above that would be eley match and center-x, good for local matches. While i havent been to any national matches yet, I would probably drop the coin and go to the eley and lapua test centers and find some good lots of eley tenex and lapua midas. Once you try at least wolf and sk, store bought stuff like cci, Winchester etc, all just seem like junk.
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consistant ammo
the other post naming all the best names in ammunition are good choices. most consistent I have found is Elley black box. Cheaper than Tennex and the same results. You can make your own consistent ammo with an hour or two of time and three tools: a rim gauge (from champions choice tennessee) a caliper gauge and scale from harbor freight. Then buy mid range quality target ammo like standard plus (same as wolf match but less money) or Elley Club or cheaper bulk ammo then sort your ammunition by size of rim, length of bullet (most critical measurement according to the guys who shoot for money at the Compton Gun club) and weight. Get your ammo sorted so it is all the same or within a 5% to 10% tolerance of these measurement categories and you will have top grade match ammo. That is what the manufacturers do, all the ammo is manufactured on the same machines, primer, powder, bullet and lubrication is all that varies. That is why you want to start with better grade ammo (I use the Standard Plus or Elley Club) that way you get the best of everything and end up with $25 a box stuff for $7 a box cost. good luck with 200 yards that is a long way for rimfire ammo to be consistent. there are programs at the optics manufacturers websites that can help you calculate the trajectory or your ammo.
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I use three different type of ammo based on distance.
At 50' and 75' I use Federal Automatch, at 50 yards and 50 meters I'll use SK Standard, Wolf Match or Eley Club. At 100 yards (and beyond) I find that the ammo will vary considerably on environmental factors. For example, if there's a lot of wind my Eley Team, Match or even Tenex opens up considerably where my Federal Automatch actually holds pretty solid. I've never tried the hyper velocity stuff so I can't comment on that but from what I've seen out of other rifles they can be very dicey in match rifles at 100 yards. Then again, I don't think I've ever seen match or 'target' labeled ammo run at high/hyper velocity speeds. |
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Eley black is actually Tenex. 'Black' just happens to be the sorted bunch that didn't make it to Tenex standards. But how this stuff is sorted is through sample batches within entire lots. What this means is it is entirely possible the samples don't entirely represent the consistency of the rest of the lot which could be Tenex quality. That's why you can find batches of 'Black' that shoot just like Tenex, because it is just that.
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I fired a few five-round groups and here's what I got at 50yrds:
Wolf Match- .5" Lapua- .5" Federal Bulk Pack- .5-1.5" RWS Target (only shot one string)- 1" I was very pleased with the Federal, most strings were an inch and often less. Next trip I'm going to move out to 100yrds, SBR&G can get pretty windy so lets see how it goes. Oh, I almost forgot; I zeroed my scope in at 50 yrds with the Federal and the Wolf and Lapua shoot about 1.5" low. |
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I assumed the target ammo was but didn't realize that it would have a POI that much lower at 50 yrds.
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Local and Internet matches, I shoot just either Remington Golden Bullets or Remington Subsonics. I can get dime sized groups out of either the ammo and more consistency with sorting.
If I was ever to compete on a Regional, National, or International level, Eley ammo all day long. Eley ammo has been used to win more Olympic gold medals and won more official matches than any other ammo to date.
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FYI Wolf Match is made by Laupa, which is also the same company as SK. A lot of their ammo is identical in terms of velocity, just a question of how they passed quality control. If you hit the SK website and look for anything with the same velocity it should all do well in your gun. Then use Wolf Match Extra for the actual matches.
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I know people say different guns like different ammo but I've pretty much tried them all. And all my guns like Wolf.
So if you were just going to buy some without testing it first I'd try to find Wolf. |
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Wolf Match Target and SK Std+ are the same ammo per a member on RFC that visited the Lapua factory in Germany. The ammo comes off the same line and packed in different boxes. Like many match ammo choices it can still vary (and sometimes badly) between lot numbers.
Both ammos shoot the same in my CZ UtraLux, Savage MKII BTVS and Kimber 82G. I always try to get the same lot # when re-ordering but its not always possible so sometimes its a crap shoot. |
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I have a bunch of boxes of eley club that I haven't tried yet, so I'm going to see if I can do better than this
that's 5 rounds of remington yellowjacket at 25 yds with 10/22 and tech sights off a soft rest. oddly enough, the federal bulk shot worse. I still have GB's to shoot for accuracy as well as rem subsonics. every gun is going to shoot things differently and even though it says "target" on it, doesn't mean a thing other than they take alot more care in product consistency and QC. but, modern factory machines are very consistent. I didn't think I'd get that kind of accuracy out of high velocity type ammo.
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I would expect (but maybe not) the Yellow Jacket groups to double @ 50yds and triple/quadruple @ 100yds based on the group @ 25yds. I have experimented with some Aguila Hyper velocity ammo 1450/1750fps and @ ranges beyond 50yds it groups like a shotgun. Tried in several different rifles with the same results. As always with rimfire ammo your mileage may vary. Almost forgot. I know that Rem GBs get a lot of bad press but I also know folks who swear by it out to 100yds for minute of squirrel head. Just too many variances in ammo, rifles, pistols and environment to dismiss any ammo without in depth, extensive testing in each firearm. I personally have never had an issue with GBs but not match grade either. Last edited by Izzy43; 05-22-2013 at 3:58 PM.. |
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Every 22 is different, and even two identical rifles produced on the same line on the same day may prefer different ammo. Wolf Match Target is the cheapest ($50ish/brick) and most rifles seem to like it pretty well. Wolf Match Extra runs about $75ish/brick. Lapua Center-X runs about $100 or so, but some of the really expensive stuff is double that. Usually the best advice is to buy a 50rd box ($5-20) of each and see which your rifle shoots best. That may be hard right now because all of the match ammo got bought up during the panic.. Clean it between each flavor and then shoot 10-20 fouling rounds before shooting for comparison. Champion Shooters' Supply still has a bit of Lapua Center-X but only by the box (not by the case - change the drop-down box and it'll hopefully still be available). Champion's prices are pre panic prices but they do add a processing charge for credit cards and a shipping charge. They charged me $13 shipping for 2 bricks, and a week later $17 shipping for 3 bricks which is fair.
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As for GB's I like them. Last weekend my son and I shot a bunch with his new (to us) M&P15-22 and it ate them like a champ. No issues at all. I'm going to do some 100 yd groupings soon with HV and subsonic stuff. Interested to see the difference.
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