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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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CCW revocation in Riverside County...
What are some reasons that a ccw holder will lose his/her priveledge to carry? Other than the obvious felony, mis. domestic violence, or DUI. Would a speeding ticket do it? Or a petty theft charge? Illegal U turn? Your input is appreciated.
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Being involved in an incident without reporting it, brandishing, road rage, moving to a new address and not notifying, carrying a gun not listed on the permit, carrying in a bar, refusing to leave a property after being notified that weapons are not allowed. Traffic violations as you describe, no. Failure to yield to the police, yes. Petty theft sounds like a yes. Didn't the instructor go over all this in CCW class?
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I am not going to be the first one to find out..... The issuing authorities seem to be as fickle about revoking as they are about issuing. San Bernardino has been cracking down on address changes recently.
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If the licensee is still a resident of the county, then there's no [legal] foul. Note that no penalty exists in the Code for failure to notify (the license does, however, expire at move+90 days for change of address outside the jurisdiction; carry after this date would be the same as carry without a license). ETA: We're right back to the premise that instructors (and FFLs, and cops, and...) are [generally] FUD factories, and repeating un-citable assertions made by uninformed persons is in no way improving the community's knowledge. -Brandon
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I can tell you (the old) SAC COUNTY would revoke in a heart beat! I know they did to my friend. Actually they took it and did not renew it. Claimed did not meet the requirements! Even though nothing changed! HOPEFULLY the NEW sac county is more lenient...
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This is what I mean when I say the laws are vague. May issue is vague. It also means may not and it does not state clearly what an issuing agency may or may not issue or revoke for. Additionaly most agencies have their own criterion for issuing or not issuing and legal or not they enforce it.
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It's the "or not" part where we sue people (and agencies). -Brandon
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I dont think were at odds here. The problem is that the violations are too vague and open to the interpretation of the issueing agency. Example. My license may be revoked if I carry into a bar. What if, however I go into a restaraunt, that has a semi seperate bar section, such as Outback Steakhouse, and due to a lack of tables, Im seated in the bar section? Am I technically in violation even though I'm not drinking? Maybe. Might my issuing agency decide to make an example of me and revoke my CCW? It's a grey area and open to interpretation. The rules and criterion for both initial issuance and revokation need to be clearer and black and white.
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FWIW and speaking specifically about Riverside County; I seriously doubt they would play "gotcha" games or are looking to revoke anyone's permit over something benign or frivolous. I have been over to Ben Clark a handful of times since I applied for my permit, and have always walked away with the distinct impression that the Sheriff and his CCW Staff are on our side.
I am sure you heard Sgt. Hoover say many times during the class that concealed means concealed, and that if you do it right, no one will ever know. So if you carry properly and conduct yourself in a safe and responsible manner, you should not have any worries. I can tell you from first hand experience that a traffic citation will not land you in trouble with the CCW Unit. A string of them perhaps, but a single ticket will not. |
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