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Dp-12...legal or not legal??
I'd like a dp12. I see they sell a Ca compliant version and it states it's 14 round capacity. I thought the magazine tubes had to be plugged to 5 rounds each.
Anyone know the real story on these shotguns?
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DOJ has a memo - DP12 mag tubes must be blocked, epoxied, and riveted to 5rds each of whatever shell length is stamped on the barrel or chamber, or no more than 10rd combined.
You can see the document here http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...8&d=1481910200 Quote:
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1) they have put in a manual tube selector instead of auto feeding from both tubes 2) they are basing 14rds on a shorter shell than the chamber designation Call them, find out and get back to us. Last edited by SkyHawk; 09-18-2019 at 10:26 PM.. |
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My guess is they have an error in the description on their page, and they are installing the CA compliant plungers which are just follower extensions (aka mag blocks) that they sell which limit the capacity to 5rd per tube.
I question the legality of those, they are essentially magazines that are not permanently blocked. IMO the KSG makes way more sense and is a lot lighter. https://stdgun.com/dp-12-california-compliant-plugs/ https://youtu.be/qJ7q_ukK4Qw Last edited by SkyHawk; 09-18-2019 at 10:35 PM.. |
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No -- it says 4 shells at 4.8"
Kinda want the weight. It's for HD. Not quails. I shot the ksg. It ran perfectly through 100 rounds but the lightness really adds up to a beating. I have a registered assault weapon Vepr 12. Changing mags is a nightmare.
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The DP12 is cool because you get two shots before a pump (if everything goes well). The downside is you have two shell lifters and two shells loading, which is 2x the chance of a jam.
The KSG will beat you up but if you really need to use it, you wont notice The extra rounds may be worth it. I put an extended selector paddle on mine and I can change tubes with a bump of my wrist, never breaking my firing grip. http://www.hitechcc.com/product/HTC-106.html Last edited by SkyHawk; 09-19-2019 at 10:33 AM.. |
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Has anyone shot both? The YouTube videos seem to favor the DP.
I just want something reliable. My vepr is reliable, but it's a raw and it's bullet button is really a pain. Same as an Ak.
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(5)The internal magazines of a firearm are part of a design function in which the combined ammunition capacity exceeds 10 rounds, and can be fired by the shooter without manipulating the magazine selector switch.
So KSG is CA legal with greater than 10 round capacity because it has selector switch to switch between mags? That seems uncommonly recondite, even by the standards of the CA DOJ.
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That is exactly correct. It is little difference than two 10rd AR mags that are connected at the basplate. As long as some manual action is required to get the next mag into action, it is a legal mag arrangement or in this case, mag tube arrangement.
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Hmmm. Seems to me a lot less effort than pulling out the AR mags, turning them upside down and reinserting. There ought to be a business here. Design a "double stack" handgun that holds two single stack mags side by side, with a selector switch. Voila, 20 rounds, even without Freedom Week mags. Then just get your Frankenpistole on the roster, then, wait.....never mind!
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