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Old 02-11-2016, 11:49 PM
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The first post seems to be missing the forbidden area in Sacramento called CalExpo (Cal. Code Regs. tit. 14, § 4955.)
Interesting. That bit of CofR (if the link will work - sometimes it does, sometimes it does not) says
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Note: Authority cited: Food and Agricultural Code, Section 3324.
but there is no F&AC 3324. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...pter=&article=

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Interesting. That bit of CofR (if the link will work - sometimes it does, sometimes it does not) says but there is no F&AC 3324. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...pter=&article=

Later posts do discuss that prohibition.
The authority for the Cal Expo and State Fair Board to establish regulations is now FAC 3332. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...file=3331-3334

A couple of comments on the Regulation:
1. They do not take your gun and store it until you are done inside CalExpo. They send you away.
2. Although the reg says a knife with blade of less than 4 inches is ok, they will cite (illegally) policy which bans all knives.

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Ah, the good old 'catch-all' paragraph
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governing the activities of the California Exposition and State Fair.
UC has a similar plenary-power clause - 'we can make stuff up - see, the Legislature said so!'
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Ah, the good old 'catch-all' paragraph UC has a similar plenary-power clause - 'we can make stuff up - see, the Legislature said so!'
You stopped too soon.
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(f) Make or adopt all necessary orders, rules, or regulations for governing the activities of the California Exposition and State Fair.  Notwithstanding Section 14, any orders, rules, or regulations adopted by the board are exempt from Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 11340) of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code.  For informational purposes only, however, any order, rule, or regulation adopted by the board may be transmitted to the Office of Administrative Law for filing with the Secretary of State pursuant to Section 11343 of the Government Code.
- See more at: http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/food-and....25pexJuR.dpuf
That's an absolute exemption from the Adminstrative Procedures Act which requires regulations to receive public notice comment and challenge, along with 3rd party administrative review!
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What about it? It's private property.
Anything operated by Live Nation will be "no".

But remember, this thread is for the places one CAN carry - a long, depressing list of places where carry is forbidden is for a different thread.
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Anything operated by Live Nation will be "no".
By PC, or by policy (metal detectors and threat of trespassing)?
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But remember, this thread is for the places one CAN carry - a long, depressing list of places where carry is forbidden is for a different thread.
Yes, where we can't carry is depressing, but a much shorter list than where we can carry. The OP is specifically a list of laws denoting where we can't carry.
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By PC, or by policy (metal detectors and threat of trespassing)?
By policy always, by the enforcement required by the artists' contracts.
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By policy always, by the enforcement required by the artists' contracts.
So carry is cool at a Ted Nugent show?
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Total attendance of four people would not require security measures.
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Total attendance of four people would not require security measures.
Anaheim House of Blues was packed.
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parking on the street in front of the PO, is that PO property?
the PO is in a mall, how much of the parking lot is PO property?
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I think the OP needs to be updated. 626.9 (h) and (i) include universities, but they must post a sign.

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I think the OP needs to be updated. 626.9 (h) and (i) include universities, but they must post a sign.

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Only for "non-contiguous properties". The statute does not require signage for properties, "...that are contiguous or are clearly marked university property,...".

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=626.9.
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Agreed, but we still need to add the new info to the OP. There is a note on SB707, but it has become law now and the OP needs to be amended if it truly is going to be a "definitive" list.
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Many pages back, the question of the authority for Special Districts, like water districts, to prohibit possession on any properties owned by the district was raised. I saw no answer to that. The wiki links to State preemption does not seem to exist (404).

Can anyone shed some light on this issue? Many such properties are not posted as being owned by District and no signage prohibiting possession is posted.
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Many pages back, the question of the authority for Special Districts, like water districts, to prohibit possession on any properties owned by the district was raised. I saw no answer to that. The wiki links to State preemption does not seem to exist (404).

Can anyone shed some light on this issue? Many such properties are not posted as being owned by District and no signage prohibiting possession is posted.
Which link 404s, please?

Districts seem to get a 'catch-all' 'do all things necessary to protect' kind of authorization.
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Y'know, I don't think so.

Here's what looks like the statutes governing districts:
Water Code

Government Code
At least, I'd ask my lawyer if that were the proper approach to the issue.
This is the post I was referring to. (#65 in this thread) Hope that helps in a move toward an answer here. I have a specific CA Special District in mind, but cannot name them for specific reasons.
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This is the post I was referring to. (#65 in this thread) Hope that helps in a move toward an answer here. I have a specific CA Special District in mind, but cannot name them for specific reasons.
That post has no wiki links ...

The wiki article on state pre-emption is http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...Gun_Regulation, but I don't think that applies re: districts.

ETA: I had a question for a transportation district; I seemed to push a button, because I had to soothe some ruffled feathers. When we were all friends again, the district administrator was very helpful.

Districts seem often to not have older info on-line, even internally; I had inquired about a no-guns policy on transport, and turns out that was a really old decision by the board - no minutes easily findable to see what concern the board tried to address with the policy.

So, I think if you can ask without confrontation, you might be able to get the info you need.
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This is the post I was referring to. (#65 in this thread) Hope that helps in a move toward an answer here. I have a specific CA Special District in mind, but cannot name them for specific reasons.
Then you can't get a specific review of what is going on.

Each district is created with its own charter and ordinances. Without the name of the district, we're just making stuff up. (And, since it's apparently in the Sacramento area, we've probably reviewed it elsewhere).

If you want a specific answer on a specific district, you have to be specific in your request.

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Then you can't get a specific review of what is going on.

Each district is created with its own charter and ordinances. Without the name of the district, we're just making stuff up. (And, since it's apparently in the Sacramento area, we've probably reviewed it elsewhere).

If you want a specific answer on a specific district, you have to be specific in your request.

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Thanks for the reply, but...

I am looking for reference to State preemption clauses that might apply, as well as any case history that might exist. I am completely familiar with this particular District's charter, history, ordinances, etc., so not looking for any internal District information. Also looking for information about State standards about posting property, etc..

I would appreciate any references I can get to do follow up research.

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That post has no wiki links ...

The wiki article on state pre-emption is http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...Gun_Regulation, but I don't think that applies re: districts.

ETA: I had a question for a transportation district; I seemed to push a button, because I had to soothe some ruffled feathers. When we were all friends again, the district administrator was very helpful.

Districts seem often to not have older info on-line, even internally; I had inquired about a no-guns policy on transport, and turns out that was a really old decision by the board - no minutes easily findable to see what concern the board tried to address with the policy.

So, I think if you can ask without confrontation, you might be able to get the info you need.
Thanks. That answers my question from most recent post. Everybody ignore that post.
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Anybody been to the Fred Hall show in Long Beach? Are they allowing concealed carry there? Thinking of going later today just wonder if I need to leave it at home or not.
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Can you carry in LA if you have my ccw? I ask because I hear you cannot carry in some counties like san Francisco which also doesn't allow hollow points. Are hollow points legal Ok to have?

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The permit is valid state-wide.
San Francisco's ammo law was specifically aimed at Black Talons (which were Winchester Ranger-T with a black teflon coating).
The wording of the law prohibits LE-Specific ammunition, and is not enforceable, simply due to the fact that under the wording of the law, Federal HST JHP would be legal if purchased at BassPro in a 20rd box for $30, but not legal if purchased in a 50rd "LE Pack" from SGAmmo for $35.
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As in many other counties, Ventura County prohibits CCW in County Parks. Yes, I asked the VCSD CCW unit if CCW holders were exempt and their rely was "NO".

http://ventura-ca.elaws.us/code/coor...art7_sec6307-4
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Any issues carrying while in the pickup/dropoff area of LAX where the cars drive by?

I know you can't inside the terminal but I was wondering if the pickup/dropoff is considered "sterile"

What about Long Beach and John Wayne?

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Any issues carrying while in the pickup/dropoff area of LAX where the cars drive by?

I know you can't inside the terminal but I was wondering if the pickup/dropoff is considered "sterile"

What about Long Beach and John Wayne?
Outside of sterile areas (anything before the passenger-only TSA checkpoint) is legal, but probably not a good idea at LAX.
People HAVE been arrested simply having guns in their trunk when stopped at the access checkpoint. Yes, charges dropped, but it was neither a pleasant nor cheap experience for them.

Burbank has no such checkpoint that I am aware of, so you would be fine doing a curb-side dropoff/pickup there. I haven't been to LB or JW in 10 years so I don't know.
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Any issues carrying while in the pickup/dropoff area of LAX where the cars drive by?

I know you can't inside the terminal but I was wondering if the pickup/dropoff is considered "sterile"

What about Long Beach and John Wayne?
I've carried when picking up/dropping off at John Wayne several times in the last few months and haven't had any concerns.
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Outside of sterile areas (anything before the passenger-only TSA checkpoint) is legal, but probably not a good idea at LAX.
People HAVE been arrested simply having guns in their trunk when stopped at the access checkpoint. Yes, charges dropped, but it was neither a pleasant nor cheap experience for them.

Burbank has no such checkpoint that I am aware of, so you would be fine doing a curb-side dropoff/pickup there. I haven't been to LB or JW in 10 years so I don't know.
I've been in and out of LAX a lot in the last few weeks, and will be for the next several. Seems like the checkpoint is never manned, weekend, weekday, daytime, middle of the night and so on...no one there.
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You're fine at LAX. Inside the terminal is ok up to the TSA screening area. I messaged the LAX airport police and was told we're good to go in any non sterile areas. I was told to make sure to keep it concealed.
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You're fine at LAX. Inside the terminal is ok up to the TSA screening area. I messaged the LAX airport police and was told we're good to go in any non sterile areas. I was told to make sure to keep it concealed.
I was told by a CCW instructor that the terminal is a sterile area.

Ill call LAX Police tomorrow.

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I was told by a CCW instructor that the terminal is a sterile area.

Ill call LAX Police tomorrow.
The "sterile" area is the area beyond the TSA checkpoint with the metal detectors. You need a ticket (or be on official business) to be within the sterile area.

Baggage pickup, ticket counter... those are all non-sterile areas.

CCW instructors are not immune from dispensing FUD.
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