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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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PC Bookmarked for future reference!
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I think its just another law that does nothing to make people safer but is used to inconvenience shoppers at a gun show and or provide a path for entrapment, because it is reasonable to expect that you may purchase both a firearm and the ammo for the firearm at the same place.
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Does that mean if I buy a mosin c&r and then buy a spam can at the show, I'm breaking the law?
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It probably means you need to make a trip to your vehicle for each one.
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Negligent discharges are not a good thing but you simply make it a law to not load live ammo in any firearm at the show with severe conquinces for anyone caught with a loaded firearm. But I see no reason you cant have ammo in your possession that will fit a gun you may have purchased at the show.
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I wonder why they don't provide clearance barrels for patrons if they insist on no loaded guns - why not provide a safe way to clear your firearm? When I worked as an armed guard we had one in our office
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IMO if there is a no loaded gun policy in effect then people who violate that policy should be dealt with. |
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Ca takes this further than most other "free" states do. Nothing unusual there. Not being able to carry at all is a bit silly. I get the unload part and all, although I think that is kind of silly even.
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What's even more silly is if your a vendor and have a CCW and its holstered and kept that way why is it some of your concerns we should be dealt with. There are rules in why it's in place but are some of you there to protect the inventory a vendor carries or the cash that's carried. No you are not. But look at almost all of those cases of a ND and why it's happened. Lack of common sense is why. If that Gun comes out of that holster as a CCW carrier it should be pulled for self defense with the intent to use it. Most of these cases are oh let me pull my gun and show you what I mean or a gun without a zip tie through it as there should be at all these shows. If I recall the last ND was a bought gun that shot a vendors friend as he sat at a table. Also yes as stated there should be a clearing trap in a designated area which would help deeply at times for a lot of the public. I know I'd use one as it's a taught method to a lot of us military and law inforcement and is safer than clearing in and out of our vehicles at times.
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Not a law where I live, but a rule nonetheless. Just too many accidents waiting to happen. Guns in and out of holsters all day. Showing, telling, buying selling... add loaded to that mix and somebody's gettin shot.
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Wait, it's a great law, Just like Gun Free School Zone. I keeps the criminals away.
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Their website says they've had 35 negligent discharges at their gun shows, and that's why they don't allow loaded weapons at any of their shows in any state regardless of that particular state's carry laws.
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Crossfire?
Let's say they did allow CCWing at the gun shows. It would probably be the largest concentration of CCWers ever in California. Then imagine "something" goes down. Then 20 CCWer's draw down on the perp. Can you say "crossfire"?
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At Safeway you cannot possess milk and cookies at the same time, soy milk is exempted from this law
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The legislature's intent is sound - they figure at a gun "show" you're going to be handling lots of guns, passing them back and forth, etc. The thought is likely that one could mistakenly hand over their CCW weapon in such a circumstance. It sort of makes sense.
That said, every gun show I have been to was really just a showcase of Nazi paraphernalia and overpriced Mosins with the occasional $450 SDVE9. |
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I can see that many NDs happening in the free states, where there will be a certain number of armed patrons who haven't even taken a basic safety course. But in CA, with its high barrier to entry for a CCW and no OC? Yikes.
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What about all the cheap knives and beef jerky?
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I do, I have no reason to violate any firearm carrying rules (or in this case a law). Police work the entrances and it only takes one problem for me to ruin a day. Unless I have a really really good reason, I never carry where a business/event has asked me not to. At a gun show, I do not worry. I check my piece and if I need it I would only have to rack the slide once to break the tie wrap. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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Now they are just WAY too crowded, and the reloads sell out within the first hour of the first day. Now the only one I attend is the Raahauges show (Corona) in June, since you can actually try out the weapons there before you buy. But this year's show has been cancelled due to the fire they had a few months ago. |
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There have been several nds at the Costa Mesa show.
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Gun show loaded guns
It is done for here reasons. All are the ándame sence. Thus understand an stop complaining.
First, The shows are not up on by he county o cities. They are private events usin unlucky spaces. As private they - i.e. Crossroads of e West or others - must carry insurance. Lots of it. For em o ge insurance te insuance company puts this rule in place. Second, the insurance require it because there are a lot of dumbasses tat go o gun shows at would not know the barrel end from the stock. No wants to risk one of Hesse fools shooting someone. Lastly, lots of guns are handled by lots of different people. Some know wha they are gin some don't. As suc everyone does not handle a treat guns safe. To makin a blanket policy maes I safe for all. Fact - here was over 30 accidental discharges at gun shows last year in the US. Not all cause injury but still. Thus I seems reasonable for the show producers to want to protect their business. People need to chill out and stop takin everything as a slam on their rights. Sometimes maybe it is just a business decision. |
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