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Why is it not allowed?
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No person at a gun show or event, other than security personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.
Why the Legislature wrote that, I do not know.
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of course there is a law in CA for that!!
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I think its just another law that does nothing to make people safer but is used to inconvenience shoppers at a gun show and or provide a path for entrapment, because it is reasonable to expect that you may purchase both a firearm and the ammo for the firearm at the same place.
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Besides what Librarian said when I asked the guy that was checking weapons at the door at Crossroads of the west told me they've had 5 ND's just that he knows of at their shows.
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Does that mean if I buy a mosin c&r and then buy a spam can at the show, I'm breaking the law?

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Does that mean if I buy a mosin c&r and then buy a spam can at the show, I'm breaking the law?

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Besides what Librarian said when I asked the guy that was checking weapons at the door at Crossroads of the west told me they've had 5 ND's just that he knows of at their shows.
Negligent discharges are not a good thing but you simply make it a law to not load live ammo in any firearm at the show with severe conquinces for anyone caught with a loaded firearm. But I see no reason you cant have ammo in your possession that will fit a gun you may have purchased at the show.

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I think its just another law that does nothing to make people safer but is used to inconvenience shoppers at a gun show and or provide a path for entrapment, because it is reasonable to expect that you may purchase both a firearm and the ammo for the firearm at the same place.
Negligent discharges are not a good thing but you simply make it a law to not load live ammo in any firearm at the show with severe conquinces for anyone caught with a loaded firearm. But I see no reason you cant have ammo in your possession that will fit a gun you may have purchased at the show.
I agree, just a dumb law to annoy/harass people who Keep And Bear, but disagree with the notion we need to punish folks severely simply because they have a loaded gun in a holster, its safe in the holster - its handling the loaded gun that is the safety issue - that's why the majority of negligent discharges caught on camera are cops ...

I wonder why they don't provide clearance barrels for patrons if they insist on no loaded guns - why not provide a safe way to clear your firearm?
When I worked as an armed guard we had one in our office
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I agree, just a dumb law to annoy/harass people who Keep And Bear, but disagree with the notion we need to punish folks severely simply because they have a loaded gun in a holster, its safe in the holster - its handling the loaded gun that is the safety issue - that's why the majority of negligent discharges caught on camera are cops ...

I wonder why they don't provide clearance barrels for patrons if they insist on no loaded guns - why not provide a safe way to clear your firearm?
When I worked as an armed guard we had one in our office
The way I understand it no one is allowed to bring a loaded gun into the show and I can understand that rule. I can also understand a rule saying no live ammo is to be loaded into a firearm that you may purchase while at the show, but I see no reason why people cant carry anything they may purchase all together instead of having to take some parts of their purchase back to their car before the continuing to shop.

IMO if there is a no loaded gun policy in effect then people who violate that policy should be dealt with.
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Ca takes this further than most other "free" states do. Nothing unusual there. Not being able to carry at all is a bit silly. I get the unload part and all, although I think that is kind of silly even.
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What's even more silly is if your a vendor and have a CCW and its holstered and kept that way why is it some of your concerns we should be dealt with. There are rules in why it's in place but are some of you there to protect the inventory a vendor carries or the cash that's carried. No you are not. But look at almost all of those cases of a ND and why it's happened. Lack of common sense is why. If that Gun comes out of that holster as a CCW carrier it should be pulled for self defense with the intent to use it. Most of these cases are oh let me pull my gun and show you what I mean or a gun without a zip tie through it as there should be at all these shows. If I recall the last ND was a bought gun that shot a vendors friend as he sat at a table. Also yes as stated there should be a clearing trap in a designated area which would help deeply at times for a lot of the public. I know I'd use one as it's a taught method to a lot of us military and law inforcement and is safer than clearing in and out of our vehicles at times.
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Not a law where I live, but a rule nonetheless. Just too many accidents waiting to happen. Guns in and out of holsters all day. Showing, telling, buying selling... add loaded to that mix and somebody's gettin shot.

I check my carry piece and they put a tie wrap in it so I can put it back in the holster.


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Wait, it's a great law, Just like Gun Free School Zone. I keeps the criminals away.
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another stupid law!! I just check for metal detectors, if none, carry as usual.
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Besides what Librarian said when I asked the guy that was checking weapons at the door at Crossroads of the west told me they've had 5 ND's just that he knows of at their shows.
Their website says they've had 35 negligent discharges at their gun shows, and that's why they don't allow loaded weapons at any of their shows in any state regardless of that particular state's carry laws.
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Let's say they did allow CCWing at the gun shows. It would probably be the largest concentration of CCWers ever in California. Then imagine "something" goes down. Then 20 CCWer's draw down on the perp. Can you say "crossfire"?

I think almost all California gun laws are B.S., but this one makes sense. [closes lid on flamesuit helmet]
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Let's say they did allow CCWing at the gun shows. It would probably be the largest concentration of CCWers ever in California. Then imagine "something" goes down. Then 20 CCWer's draw down on the perp. Can you say "crossfire"?

I think almost all California gun laws are B.S., but this one makes sense. [closes lid on flamesuit helmet]
The CA law does not make sense because there is no reason why you cant possess a firearm and amino for said firearm at the same after all the show is a shopping venue. I can see the reason for not allowing loaded firearms in the show though.
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The legislature's intent is sound - they figure at a gun "show" you're going to be handling lots of guns, passing them back and forth, etc. The thought is likely that one could mistakenly hand over their CCW weapon in such a circumstance. It sort of makes sense.

That said, every gun show I have been to was really just a showcase of Nazi paraphernalia and overpriced Mosins with the occasional $450 SDVE9.
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I can see that many NDs happening in the free states, where there will be a certain number of armed patrons who haven't even taken a basic safety course. But in CA, with its high barrier to entry for a CCW and no OC? Yikes.
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That said, every gun show I have been to was really just a showcase of Nazi paraphernalia and overpriced Mosins with the occasional $450 SDVE9.
What about all the cheap knives and beef jerky?
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Does anyone ever "check" their CCW weapon at the door? My "friend" never does...
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Does anyone ever "check" their CCW weapon at the door? My "friend" never does...


I do, I have no reason to violate any firearm carrying rules (or in this case a law). Police work the entrances and it only takes one problem for me to ruin a day. Unless I have a really really good reason, I never carry where a business/event has asked me not to.

At a gun show, I do not worry. I check my piece and if I need it I would only have to rack the slide once to break the tie wrap.


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The legislature's intent is sound - they figure at a gun "show" you're going to be handling lots of guns, passing them back and forth, etc. The thought is likely that one could mistakenly hand over their CCW weapon in such a circumstance. It sort of makes sense.

That said, every gun show I have been to was really just a showcase of Nazi paraphernalia and overpriced Mosins with the occasional $450 SDVE9.
Gun shows used to be fun. And a great place to buy reloads for a good price.
Now they are just WAY too crowded, and the reloads sell out within the first hour of the first day.

Now the only one I attend is the Raahauges show (Corona) in June, since you can actually try out the weapons there before you buy. But this year's show has been cancelled due to the fire they had a few months ago.
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I can see that many NDs happening in the free states, where there will be a certain number of armed patrons who haven't even taken a basic safety course. But in CA, with its high barrier to entry for a CCW and no OC? Yikes.
There have been several nds at the Costa Mesa show.
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It is done for here reasons. All are the ándame sence. Thus understand an stop complaining.

First, The shows are not up on by he county o cities. They are private events usin unlucky spaces. As private they - i.e. Crossroads of e West or others - must carry insurance. Lots of it. For em o ge insurance te insuance company puts this rule in place.

Second, the insurance require it because there are a lot of dumbasses tat go o gun shows at would not know the barrel end from the stock. No wants to risk one of Hesse fools shooting someone.

Lastly, lots of guns are handled by lots of different people. Some know wha they are gin some don't. As suc everyone does not handle a treat guns safe. To makin a blanket policy maes I safe for all.


Fact - here was over 30 accidental discharges at gun shows last year in the US. Not all cause injury but still. Thus I seems reasonable for the show producers to want to protect their business.

People need to chill out and stop takin everything as a slam on their rights. Sometimes maybe it is just a business decision.
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