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Old 12-14-2015, 12:39 AM
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Looking to finally get around to trying to apply for my CCW. Wouldn't mind some more examples of GC that people have had approved or denied.
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I'm interested in applying for a CCW as well. My GC would indicate mostly my frequent transportation of valuable server and data center infrastructure. Wouldn't be uncommon to be hauling anywhere between $30,000-$80,000 worth of gear in my vehicle and at odd hours of the night typically.

Would this be enough or should I investigate similar type crimes reported in the area in addition?

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I was approved under good cause in October. What I used:

A protective order I have in place.

There is a Medical Marijuana dispensary near where I work.

Third reason is because I own my own business and carry money around.

I showed the PO# for number 1.

I showed the address for number 2.

I showed receipts for number 3.

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You mean you showed receipts for the purchases you made at the medical marijuana center!
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This may be somewhat "good cause" related, but I'm curious as to whether Question 5 on the application form (regarding being a party to a lawsuit in the preceding five years) presents any sort of issue. Has anyone answered "yes," and what was your experience like?
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They want to know what you're involved in a court action for, either plaintiff or defendant.

People tied up with lawsuits have been known to become unstable.
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Ok Folks, Since it is renewal time for most of us that got our CCW in 2014.
Since the Good Cause we all used back than was "Legal Self Defense".
Any other Good Cause statements for the renewal of 2016? Please share if it was accepted or denied.

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Ok Folks, Since it is renewal time for most of us that got our CCW in 2014.
Since the Good Cause we all used back than was "Legal Self Defense".
Any other Good Cause statements for the renewal of 2016? Please share if it was accepted or denied.

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Anything other than self-defense. May sound vague, but that's literally all you need.

No words of anyone getting denied as of yet.
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Old 02-03-2016, 4:25 PM
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Anything other than self-defense. May sound vague, but that's literally all you need.

No words of anyone getting denied as of yet.
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I am looking into getting my CCW in OC this year and I've been trying to put together my good cause statement. I just like to prepare myself ahead of time, thats just me. As of right now my GC is self-defense and the area that I live in which is Santa Ana/Tustin area mostly on the Santa Ana side. With just that alone will that be acceptable?
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I am looking into getting my CCW in OC this year and I've been trying to put together my good cause statement. I just like to prepare myself ahead of time, thats just me. As of right now my GC is self-defense and the area that I live in which is Santa Ana/Tustin area mostly on the Santa Ana side. With just that alone will that be acceptable?
No, you have to articulate more than just self-defense.

Self-defense alone will not cut it.
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I also have my work van which is company issued that I bring home. Also my family, my personal vehicle which is a lifted truck with high end accessories and parts. There is a marijuana dispensary a few blocks from my house. THis is what I can think of as of right now.
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I also have my work van which is company issued that I bring home. Also my family, my personal vehicle which is a lifted truck with high end accessories and parts. There is a marijuana dispensary a few blocks from my house. THis is what I can think of as of right now.
Like I said, you have to articulate anything other than "self-defense."

OCSD is issuing and there hasn't been any reports of anyone being denied.

They have no reason to deny you unless you give them a reason to.

1st apply for an interview and by that time you can work on your good cause.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:13 AM
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also, my job is in telecommunications and I work in my own backyard and I see people everyday and people that I have as customer I run into when I am off the clock.
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I will apply soon and take it step by step. I tend to get ahead of myself.
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I drive a Black Ford Explorer, which at night, people confuse for a Police vehicle, which makes me a target of crime......

Other than that, I'd never forgive myself if I were to go to a shopping mall or movie theater and not have the ability to protect myself, my loved ones, or other law bidding citizen should a criminal take a gun and start shooting recklessly.
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I also have my work van which is company issued that I bring home. Also my family, my personal vehicle which is a lifted truck with high end accessories and parts. There is a marijuana dispensary a few blocks from my house. THis is what I can think of as of right now.
I remember reading that someone used living near a dispensary and a good cause and was approved. So you might want to elaborate on that. Good luck
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Like others have said, most anything other than just plain "self defense" will put you in a decent position. If you can articulate with facts, statistics, or details on the reason why you want the CCW, I don't see why you would necessarily be denied unless you have a reason to be. You have a dispensary near your residence? Work that angle and find some statistics to back up why you might need it for that reason. Good luck.

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Old 02-08-2016, 1:27 PM
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I will research a little more on that dispensary because ever since that opened a lot of shady people use the street that it is off of as a detour and and it goes through my neighborhood and there is a park to that is getting homeless and other people that are up to no good that i know for a fact aren't from my neighborhood. It is easy to distinguish who lives in the neighborhood.
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Old 02-08-2016, 5:33 PM
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GC is about the fear of grave bodily harm - not a vehicle or other belonging. That's what you have insurance for, so it's not about protecting property.

A real or perceived threat to you and/or your loved ones lives is good cause.
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GC is about the fear of grave bodily harm - not a vehicle or other belonging. That's what you have insurance for, so it's not about protecting property.

A real or perceived threat to you and/or your loved ones lives is good cause.
A good cause is not inclusive to just fear of grave bodily harm.

It's up to OCSD to define what is and isn't acceptable.

I've seen people with their GC as owning vintage cars, selling items on craiglist, etc. and still get issued.
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A good cause is not inclusive to just fear of grave bodily harm.

It's up to OCSD to define what is and isn't acceptable.

I've seen people with their GC as owning vintage cars, selling items on craiglist, etc. and still get issued.
That's not why they're getting issued.
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That's not why they're getting issued.
I have a friend who got his permit with his GC as selling items on craiglist and carries large amount of cash on hand.

If you have more input feel free to elaborate. I'd like to hear your side of it.
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I have a friend who got his permit with his GC as selling items on craiglist and carries large amount of cash on hand.

If you have more input feel free to elaborate. I'd like to hear your side of it.
I would presume the detail of carrying large amounts of cash on hand would be the selling point.
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I would presume the detail of carrying large amounts of cash on hand would be the selling point.
Yes and traveling to high crime rate cities. As I said, if you can articulate anything other than self defense, you are solid.

And the individual who got his permit with vintage cars as his good cause was told by his interviewing officer to choose that one out of his others because he would be more susceptible to theft.

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Yes and traveling to high crime rate cities. As I said, if you can articulate anything other than self defense, you are solid.

And the individual who got his permit with vintage cars as his good cause was told by his interviewing officer to choose that one out of his others because he would be more susceptible to theft.
Yea exactly and I think that the misunderstanding earlier is it is in fact up to the OCSD to determine whether a good cause is sufficient (I.e. theft target, bodily harm, etc), however this differs from whether the use of the firearm is justified (I.e. shooting someone for stealing your TV, etc). OCSD can issue for whatever reason they seem fit but are you always justified in drawing the firearm? Different story.
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I understand what all of are saying and as my person vehicles I'm not worried about they have insurance. I should have elaborated a little more of my reason. being the dispensary a couple blocks over and the area I live in isn't the same as it use to be. there always random people going up and down the streets scoping out the houses. Its hard to walk around when it gets closer to night time and a good friend of mine got jumped for his phone as he was jogging which he fought back and got away. the area is getting pretty bad.
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I would presume the detail of carrying large amounts of cash on hand would be the selling point.

Yes.

Needing a permit because you own some type of property, be it cars or guns or whatever, is not good cause. If in the course of your life dealings you are exposed to grave bodily harm then that is your good cause. If the two are related then so be it. But just because you own a certain item does not warrant good cause.

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Yes and traveling to high crime rate cities. As I said, if you can articulate anything other than self defense, you are solid.

And the individual who got his permit with vintage cars as his good cause was told by his interviewing officer to choose that one out of his others because he would be more susceptible to theft.

To add to my validity: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...postcount=5236
It's the part about being a target, not about owning some kind of property.
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It's the part about being a target, not about owning some kind of property.
Yes, its part about being a target, but there has a be a reason why you're a target and it can be about owning valuables.

Surely, we can all agree that if you can articulate anything to make it sound like your a target then you're solid, no?

What more is there to debate about here?
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The good cause statement isn't about 'sounding' like anything - it's about articulating a threat of grave bodily injury or death.

I'm sure that's what you mean, we're just saying it in a different way. But I think it's good for peeps here to understand what it's really about.

Your last statement sounds like you're saying you don't want anything further said on the issue, and I'm not sure why. Was that your intention or does it just sound that way? We seem to get a lot of this on the forum - someone thinks they understand a particular situation so they think there should be no further discussion on it. <shrug>
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You guys need to get a room.

Browneye's take on the matter is correct.

Re: vintage cars and CL, it's that those activities expose you to a greater threat of harm and thus qualify you for a CCW, as far as OCSD is concerned.

What's interesting is that when she first took office a similar GC known as "Avid Shooter" was acceptable. Shortly after she took office she had all permits based on that GC recalled. Essentially, "Avid Shooter" was just that; you transported your guns often and doing so increased your chances of being jacked and your guns stolen. Things seem to have come full circle.
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I'm sure that's what you mean, we're just saying it in a different way. But I think it's good for peeps here to understand what it's really about.

Your last statement sounds like you're saying you don't want anything further said on the issue, and I'm not sure why. Was that your intention or does it just sound that way? We seem to get a lot of this on the forum - someone thinks they understand a particular situation so they think there should be no further discussion on it. <shrug>
Indeed, my last statement was regarding our point of views, and I'm sure we both mean the same thing. We'd just be running in circles.
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Thank dog.

When I was writing my GCS I was quite concerned that I did not have sufficient cause to warrant a permit approval. One of my issues is a stark comparison of my garage compared to my nieghbors - bikes and tools and toys and stuff - and it's open a lot when we're home - I tinker and putz around a lot out there. It makes me a drive-by target.

Grantar2 was very helpful to me with my statement write-up and one thing he made clear was that a carry permit isn't for 'home', and it isn't for 'stuff' - the former you don't need a permit for your weapons at home, and the latter is that things you own are insured and you don't defend your 'stuff' with a firearm.

However if there is inherent danger in your comings and goings in your neighborhood - lack of police presence, increase of outsider traffic, loud parties, and increase of the presence of 'bad people' - are all good cause reasons.

It's all a matter of analyzing your particular situation and recognizing where the true threat comes from and how to articulate that. That's all OCSD is looking for - we are finding it to be a fairly wide scope of what is acceptable.
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We have a coyote problem here in Irvine. I hear them every night, and they have attacked people and their pets. I can even print out the news articles. Do you think wild animal attacks will serve as good cause?
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I would give it a sentence, sure. There was something like that in mine. Something about the drought and wild animals.
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Here is my good cause, an anti-hunting organization used my FB images to make T-shirts, and of course the death threats to boot.
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Here is my good cause, an anti-hunting organization used my FB images to make T-shirts, and of course the death threats to boot.
But the guy in the photo has a cool beard and ponytail, surely he must know what I should do with my life...
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We have a coyote problem here in Irvine. I hear them every night, and they have attacked people and their pets. I can even print out the news articles. Do you think wild animal attacks will serve as good cause?

As suggested, I would only mention it briefly. If you have plenty of other stuff I wouldn't mention it at all. You don't wanting them thinking you're going to be capping Yotes in the streets of Irvine.
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Question for you OC folks that have been approved...have any of your permits come with restrictions?

For example, if your GC statement was that you're a realtor and you show homes or host open houses by yourself, or maybe in rural/isolated/not-so-good areas, does your permit have a restriction saying it's only valid when you're engaging in that particular activity?
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