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I don't really fault the detectives doing the permit work at all, either. It's the, apparently arbitrary rules that they have to follow that I have a problem with and those come from the top. The decision to keep those they deny in the dark comes from the top, too.
I don't know if you've read about the Birdt case. A "gentleman" (and I do use the term very loosely, too) was denied and took them to Federal court, where it took a long time and a very pissed-off judge for the SBSD to finally cough up a reason for the denial, and then shortly thereafter they changed their minds and gave a different reason. Folks like you or I don't stand a chance against that kind of professional stonewalling and politicking. |
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Just make sure your appeal doesn't go like this dude...
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don't answer this question....
but.... if there are Domestic Violence accusations... that could be the issue....
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Found out how?
How do you know your employer is telling the truth?
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I had my interview with a very stern detective lady. She got mad at for not filling out a part of the app. I was nervous and intimidated by her but finished every reply with a "Yes Ma'am" Like I said my interview was on the 25th so we'll see how everything pans out.
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Keep in mind that she's talking to people all freaking week and she doesn't know the good guys from the dirtbags when they first come to the counter.
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I know exactly who you are referring to, MikeAE. I have seen this investigator in action and it is definitely all business all the time!
I have witnessed a few interactions with this investigator and there is a serious lack of patience involved. I understand that this investigator deals with this ALL THE TIME, but for those coming in for an application/interview it is all new to us and are unfamiliar with the process. It can be very unnerving/unsettling to deal with such a personality. I'm pretty sure this investigator has developed a good judge of character during the course of employment (especially being out in the field prior to the CCW unit) but the impression is that they are irritable, impatient, and has a very low tolerance for honest mistakes. I hope the rest of the process goes well, MikeAE. |
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I'm quite positive they would have mentioned something to me about it...
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Why would they lie about it? Well, they may have anonymously given an unfavorable statement which led to you being denied, and they don't wish to experience any blowback for it. After all they may fear that you, a gun owner, might take umbrage to their statements, if any. I fear that you may now know where the process went wrong for you...
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The excuse of using 6254 (f) is bull. That is the same law that Sheriff Block tried to use in 1986 to block the release of CCW application information. Sheriff Block was smacked down by a Federal Court because CCW applications shouldn't be secretive due to the obvious potential for abuse.
The sheriff's office is giving you an excuse not to release that information that does not fly, and I'm pretty sure they know it. . Last edited by Nopal; 02-29-2016 at 8:49 AM.. |
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just thinking out loud here but,
If you DUI conviction was in 2005, it may be possible the CCW restrictions include no convictions per a period of time - usually this will include successful completion of court orders/probation/DUI program etc. It may be that your term since successful completion of probation or the programs has not lapsed yet as probation would be at least 2 years I would think and that would put 10 years sometime around 2017 depending on your particular circumstances. Best of luck with the process
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OP shows no forum activity since 4/2016 and no posts since 2/27/16.
I have a feeling we're not going to hear anything.
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Draft up your appeal letter to the Sheriff and state your case and that you'd like to meet with the Sheriff to discuss/explain your record and to highlight your stellar citizenship since that indiscretion.
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Keep something in mind, guys:
Just as the issuing authority doesn't disclose their reasons for a denial, the person posting & whining about the denial doesn't disclose ALL his criminal charges/convictions. People tend to trivialize their crimes by calling them "mistakes" or using phrases like "A few charges." Also saying "Charges were dropped." They're usually proud of themselves for getting away with something, rather than feeling remorseful that they put the lives of others in danger. If they really cared, they would never drive drunk a second time. And people with one or two DUI convictions have usually driven drunk many many times without being caught. I'd rather people like that don't drive or CCW. Or even own a gun. |
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Huh? I don't think he's supporting your position. My guess would be that your criminal history spanning 13 years (1992 - 2005) was basis for denying. Only you know the nature and number of those incidents and anything else that you were arrested for and not charged. That said, you've turned your life around and stayed out of trouble for 12 years. One would think they would take that into consideration.
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It was completely understood that his comment was not in support of my position, SoCalPI. This doesn't mean that I do not agree with what he says. However, this forum is not my confessional. I've made my mistakes, paid my dues, righted my wrongs, and have learned from my mistakes. The person I am today is not the person I was 12-25 years ago. If my past transgressions will disqualify me from obtaining my CCW, this will be my cross to bear. I will accept this as fact and move forward. However, it would be pretty awesome if I were given a detailed explanation for the denial instead of a general and vague statement. It would help me to better prepare for my appeal if I knew what I were appealing.
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Just stopping in to say "this thread delivers!"
Thanks for updating OP. Too often we have drive by posters that leave a thread hanging, it's unsatisfying. Rude!
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Not saying you have gang affiliations but they may have felt that was what you were hiding. This time around hide nothing. When we say dress for the interview we men take a bath and wear clean nice clothes, not try to look like something your not. Quote:
Back to OP, Better luck this time around. Be relaxed and honest, let them see who you are now, Do not hide your ink. GMC has a lot to do with being comfortable in your skin and with who you are now.
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If tattoos are covered, they must be hiding something. If they're not covered, they're an outlaw gang member & proud of it. If the interviewer tries to push an applicant's buttons & he reacts, he has anger issues. If he doesn't react, he must be on drugs or not paying attention. During a job interview years ago, the interview looked at the section of my work history where it asked for the "Reason for leaving" on two previous jobs where the business closed. I wrote "Went out of business." The moronic interviewer said, "You worked at several places that went out of business... What attracted you to these flaky companies that went out of business?" When I was in my teens, my mom always complained about my long hair. She'd say, "People will think you're on drugs." I'd say, "Only stupid people will think that." |
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"He wants to carry a gun legally so he can commit armed robberies & improve his financial situation." Some people have financial issues through no fault of their own. |
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Thanks for the update MudWeeds, and good luck with your upcoming application.
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Really? I know someone that was approved years ago, and renewed every time, that had just filed BK.
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Still no update from May.
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I guess they were satisfied with the answer because it never came up again. Hope we hear some good news from the OP in the near future.
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