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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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Strange question from a licence holder
I was told by someone that an instructor i knew for CCW qualifications was a huge supporter of people getting ccw's but doesnt make it public because of the iffyness of the political climate here in california. That being said if SWIM had a small following on social media were to make a video informing people who may not have thought of it or sought out a ccw on how to get one and the best way of going about that could his IA take away his license or refuse to renew it when that time comes around.
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So it sounds like you are asking if someone legally exercising their 1st amendment rights could legally have their CCW revoked or not renewed absent any other disqualifying issues? I think not but there are many people who do not stand up for what they believe in their hearts due to the consequences of speaking out. As Michael Savage says the 1st amendment is not needed to protect popular speech but to protect unpopular speech.
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Ya I don't know that much about CCW's getting revoked absent a crime being committed or threat made (I do not know anyone personally who has had a revocation) I also have not paid much attention to what is happening to holders outside of CA. I think that if CCW holders were as loud mouth and politically active as the Gun haters that we might actually get some margin of respect. But we are a discriminated against minority in CA who would rather support our families by working than being engaged in protests, so it is what it is. We have been reduced to fighting the unconstitutional rules and laws in court. Perhaps we need to get our message out. Perhaps we need concerted recall efforts to make it politically damaging to step on our rights. Perhaps we should hire paid protesters like the antis do. I don't know the answer, other than that I am a dues paying member of several civil rights organizations that directly support our causes.
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Discriminated against? Really? No. I am not discriminated against for being licensed to carry a concealed weapon. I might not like local ordinances that prohibit me from legally carrying under my license in regional parks, for example, but I can still enjoy all the benefits of the regional parks that non-licensed people enjoy. I can choose to lock up my gun or leave it at home. "Concealed carry licensee" is not a protected class. So no, you are not discriminated against. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Also, the ridiculous notion that only unemployed people protest (or that all people who work do so during regular M-F business hours) is a tired cliché.
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Exactly, well said Dave.
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Dave doesn't comprehend discrimination.
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Just because you aren't a "protected class" doesn't mean you aren't being discriminated against. In a legal/political sense perhaps, but in real life it happens all the time.
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This gonna be good!
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Probably not. I feel compelled once in awhile to post a brief retort of dissent to this thing or that thing, but arguing around here (or much of anywhere, really) accomplishes nothing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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I dunno. Non-comprehension, I guess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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#1 - The temp ban wasn't a ban. Kest was tweaking some settings to help control Spam and a BUNCH of members (including himself) were banned for a few minutes.
#2 - I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. You mention an instructor in your CCW class, afraid to share that he's pro-CCW. Was he the CCW instructor, or some other type of instructor? Either way, as long as you aren't getting into legal trouble or speaking in support of subversive or violent activity, your IA couldn't care less about what you share with others. If your IA were not supportive of CCW, you would not have a permit. They are not required to issue them. People may indeed have had their permits pulled after posting something really stupid, but what they post on youtube about it is not going to be the entire story. BTW: If your permit is required for employment, don't move to the IE. San Bernardino specifically does not issue permits for employment purposes and the permit says "Not valid for employment" on the permit. If your job requires that you carry concealed, they want you to go through the formal procedures with BSIS. They don't prohibit carry while working, so if by "employment related" you simply mean that you carry bank deposits after closing, you'd still be okay there. BUT! I'd be more worried about going public with my face or name attached, not because of the IA, but because of neighbors, employers, etc.... Concealed means concealed. It has nothing to do with being concerned about the anti-2A mentality in California and more having to do with maintaining the tactical advantage over someone who may decide to do harm.
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It's always a good thing to exercise self restraint. If you ever feel you need to use a firearm, and the prosecutor looks into your personal file and background, anything and everything you posted on the Interwebs will surface. Even if you, jokingly, stated that someone deserved to die or to be shot, it will be held against you. It's easy to forget this little fact in light of the omnipresent social media, but it's good to remember that every time you start typing something that you'll post on a public forum.
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Beware the false accusation. Anybody can drive next to your car, call police and say you pointed a gun at them. You get pulled over, have a gun. Your word against theirs. Good luck. I'll be keeping my head down and my trumpet in it's case.
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