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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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PERUTA questions - Status: June 2016: full court 'en banc' denied
In general, do not expect anything clear until the appeals process is over - that might mean a trip to the Supreme Court.
Please see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8#post13432008
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San Diego will NOT appeal Peruta -
See http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=897109 Celebratory posts to that thread, please.
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Lots of threads about this.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...ruling-appeal/ "The sheriff had 14 days from the panel’s ruling to ask for the full appeals court to hear the case. But, with no resistance from the sheriff, the case will go back to the district court, which will likely follow the opinion and change the way gun permits are issued throughout the state. A date for a hearing has not been set. In the meantime, the Sheriff’s Department said Friday that people who wish to apply for CCWs under the new guidelines can begin to do so, although the permits won’t be issued until the lower court says so." I made an appointment today. It is in mid-July. |
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She might call a friendly judge at 9th and try to sell the idea that he/she should call for review. And SD could still file for certiorari to the Supreme Court - Sheriff Gore's letter did not address that possibility. We won't know for sure unless a further announcement includes that (and the announcement is not a 'mis-speak'), or May 16 goes by and neither a petition for cert nor a request to extend the filing deadline has been filed.
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That's like listening to sweet music. I love it.
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Has anyone applied in OC? Hutchens is one tough *****. And on their website it says this :
"The Orange County Sheriff’s Department will accept CCW applications which include, in the “Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW License” (on page 10 of 13 of the California Department of Justice Standard Initial and Renewal Application for License to Carry a Concealed Weapon), that the CCW license is needed for self-defense or personal safety. Applications which include other reasons showing “good cause” for the CCW License as set forth in the Orange County Sheriff’s Department’s Policy 218, License to Carry a Concealed Firearm, will also be accepted." To my understanding of this new law, that is not necessary, therefore OCSD is still breaking the law, therefore....lawsuits? |
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News on the Peruta case itself goes to the 2A Litigation forum
Please do not add posts to other threads about the case itself to discussion threads about individual issuing agencies. See also new threads there -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=899977 CPOA and AG Harris have filed third-party requests with 9th, hoping to get additional review. Discussion to that thread, please.
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Bump.
Peruta case discussions go to the 2A Litigation forum, not here.
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No date, and Court hasn't said anything about things submitted.
Info updating the case will be in the 2A Litigation Forum.
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So what are we waiting for the 9th to rule on now?
AG standing to intervene? Gore statement on the case being moot? 9th to uphold original ruling? Just trying to get on idea on the next hurdles in order? Thx!
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Just waiting for the 9th to emit something. Until they actually say, we don't know anything more.
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Updates will be in the Litigation forum.
Which, apparently, I need to say about every 60 days. It's a Big Deal. Any action will be very well covered.
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Nothing since May - check in the 2A litigation forum for updates.
It takes so long because the Court is able to set its own schedule. It is responsible only to itself.
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Sounds like the appeal process is over and CA's motion to intervene was denied.
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Indeed, motions to intervene were all denied.
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Oral arguments today (6/16/15) before the en banc 11-judge panel.
Discussion to the 2A Litigation forum; now we wait more for the 11-judge panel to rule.
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En banc opinion released June 2016 - loss.
Lawyers have requested an new 'en banc' before the entire 9th circuit. Continue to follow in the CA 2A Litigation forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=330
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