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Old 02-25-2014, 11:15 AM
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Nothing new here for a while. How about this.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:27 AM
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Nice!

A few of my favorites right there. And a few of my wants, too.
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Need it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, need it, need it. Nice collection!
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You are well on your way to a nice representative US Marshal arms primary long rifle collection! You are 5-6 general models (not including minor variants and upgrades) away going backwards (not including committee of safety), and probably 1 away going modern. Of course, while the modern missing rifle is a civilian copy, it would still work from my humble perspective (once a machine gun, always a machine gun...).

Going backwards is a little more challenging as there are very few peices left, and when you do find one, it will cost $$$.

Again, very nice collection as well as an awesome look back in American history!
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Very nice collection!
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Old 02-26-2014, 7:13 AM
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The M16A1 and the M4 ae built on semiauto receivers, but otherwise USGI parts, well, the M4 barrel is 16 1/4 inches long. My son has an M16A2 in Arizona. An M14 is next on the list, but we're looking at aound $2k for one, so it may be awhile.
My son found the nice Springfield 1863 in Alaska for a reasonable price. Its a hoot to shoot, but Civil War and earlier gets hard to find and expensive.
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Would anyone care to list the guns by name for a challenged soul. Hopefully from top to bottom?
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Old 02-26-2014, 8:45 AM
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Springfield 1863
Springfield Trapdoor
Krag Jorgensen M1896
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M1 Carbine
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Very cool
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Nice, Paulie. I too prefer the 1863 over he 1861 as the hammer just makes it look better versus the hook hammer. Although, I do like the hook on the 1855 as it is appropriate given the priming system.

Also, congrats on the good price on the 1863 too. Back in the day, Civil War stuff used to be reasonably priced and available. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.

Again, thanks for sharing and nice collection!
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M14 on the list?

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Any plans to add a Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle?
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Any plans to add a Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle?
A Kentucky long rifle would be cool. Not sure about price and availability. There are Brown Bess "kits" that aren't too expensive, so that's a possibility. I've seen Enfield rifled muskets come up once in a while too.
Just need to win the lottery and move to a free state to open up other possibilities.
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An authentic is maybe the one gun that isn't on many peoples shopping lists, I would venture to guess.

I've had my eye on one of these replicas for a couple of years now:

http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles01.htm

I love the story of the guy whose wife got on his case about how many "old rifles" he had, constantly. Only to find out they were authentic Revolutionary War era Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifles that fetched an average of $25,000 at auction for her, after he past. How many different ways can a rifle benefit a person?
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The Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifles are very cool, and getting your hands on an authentic one is an awesome experience and a valuable piece of American history. That said, and while pressed into a number of conflicts, they were never officially designated US Marshal arms like the ones listed in Paulie's picture. I know it's splitting hairs as they are both filled with awesomeness.
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The Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifles are very cool, and getting your hands on an authentic one is an awesome experience and a valuable piece of American history. That said, and while pressed into a number of conflicts, they were never officially designated US Marshal arms like the ones listed in Paulie's picture. I know it's splitting hairs as they are both filled with awesomeness.
Interesting info. Is that because the designation didn't exist at the time (i.e. there were more pressing matters to deal with/"We're going to use whatever we can get our hands on")?
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Not really. US Marshall Arms are weapons manufactured specifically for US armed forces. From a comparison perspective, it would be like being able to buy a nice custom hunting rifle (Pennsylvania Rifle) versus what the military issued you (1863 Springfield). Again, many different and individual weapons were pressed into service, but if you were standing military, you were issued a US Marshal Arm.
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I was talking to my son last night and he's pretty set on gettiing a Brown Bess. I guess the kits IMA sells have original locks and barrels. The rest is reproducion.
Where Remington Rolling Blocks official military rifles? Lots of foreign sales ones out there. U.S. ones a little harder to come by.
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Yes, there are some US marked rolling block rifles. It was not considered a primary, but a secondary US Marshall arm. Getting into the secondary Marshall arms from a collecting point of view is very interesting, tougher, and even more expensive that collecting the primary arms. Just as an example, there were, I believe, something like 22 different types of Civil War Carbines that were built under US contract during the war. Most people can recognize the Spencer or the Sharps, but the likes of a Peabody or a Maynard are a lot more obscure and difficult to find. To make matters even more challenging, both Spencer and Sharps, for example, made non-military models that makes US issued examples ever more sought after.

That said, collecting back when this stuff was available was a fascinating time as you learned so much about the history over just things that go bang.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread as Paulie has shared some very cool stuff that is a true timeline of American history. To be able to hold, shoot and appreciate these fine examples is what true collecting, from my perspective anyway, is all about. Think about it this way, that Trapdoor Springfirld would have been the M16 of it's day, and the guys carrying it were bad&$$.

Thanks again for sharing Pauile!
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I'm not try to be an *** but . . . . It's martial not marshall. IMHO it undermines your credibility
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You are absolutely correct tmckinny - my bad.
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Here are my American G.I. Rifles. One of the 1903A3's and the top M1 Carbine are James River Armory Rebuilds. The other M1 Carbine is a 1970's Iver Johnson. Not actual WWII guns but great pieces nonetheless.



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The M1A in this pic is all USGI except for the receiver and muzzle brake. H&R barrel, TRW bolt. It is a fantastic shooter. It resides with my son now and at the slow rate of use that he puts it through it will go to his son with the original barrel still shootable! Does this count as a U.S. (almost) military arm?

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The M1A in this pic is all USGI except for the receiver and muzzle brake. H&R barrel, TRW bolt. It is a fantastic shooter. It resides with my son now and at the slow rate of use that he puts it through it will go to his son with the original barrel still shootable! Does this count as a U.S. (almost) military arm?

With all due respect to American wood and steel, all I can see in that picture is a minty looking KBI PAP59, which happens to be just about my all time favorite long gun period.

Edit: Ok... The tiger striped Garand isn't too shabby either...
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Nice 1917. I put this one on auction last month.

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AS long as that m16a1 is not a colt sp1. That is banned by name in Ca.
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