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Old 08-20-2011, 9:45 AM
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Hello, I spent a lot of time researching, and then a lot of money buying/building this rifle but I am now at a loss with optics.

I can spend 1400 if necessary, but less is better. It is 5.56 if it matters I want something that will be good for close quarters but that can also reach out at least 300 yards. Debating ACOG or a red dot with magnifier. Suggestions on specific models and why would be amazingly helpful. Thanks for your time
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I have a Burris Euro Diamond 3-12x30mm on top.Attach a C-more red dot on the right side rail for close quarters.Turn the gun sideways to use it.I copied from several guys that were competing.Use quick release stuff if you only need one device at a time.
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SWFA SS 1-4x with Donut reticle on Larue or Bobro mount.
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You have a very healthy optics budget so pretty much everything is in range. I second Hoop's question that needs to be answered first.
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Nightforce. I have found them to be my favorite for the $1-$2k scopes. I absolutley love mine.
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+1 for the SWFA 1-4X, like a red dot (illuminated) at 1X, then a Mil-Dot at 4X. Don't need more X for a 5.56mm.
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1. How would this change the scope you suggest? I ask this in all seriousness, no sarcasm/rudeness intended. Like stated above, I want something that is good for quick, close quarter shooting but can also reach out to around 300 yards.

2. Why would someone want an eotech with additional magnifyer over a Trijicon ACOG? What does military use on their ARs and why?


3. How far can someone REASONABLY shoot an AR with a 3x magnifyer and red dot of choice?

As per suggestion by two people above, I'm looking into the SWFA 1-4X scope above. Looks intersting. Other suggestions?
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Trijicon ACOG! The BAC allows for you to shoot at close quarters with both eyes open and you can easily shoot out to around 300 yards with that ACOG.

Our military is a big supporter of trijicon and most rifles you see in use by our military are equipped with an ACOG.

If you want long and short range capabilities go with ACOG, eotechs and other reddots (became a fan of aimpoint after the pro) are good for shooting up to around 100 meters, I've never been a fan of the red dot + magnifier setup. Too much weight and battery operated on both....
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2. A red dot + magnifier setup is good if you envision using your gun for primarily 0-200Y 75% of the time and the occasional mid-range shot. I'd only recommend an ACOG if that situation was reversed. IME, BAC shooting with an ACOG is overrated due to the POI/POA shift when shooting occluded. I think the TR24 is a much better overall scope than an ACOG.

3. I've shot out to 500Y at an 8-10" plate using an EOTech 557/EXPS 3-4 with 4X magnifier. It can be done but a good 1-4X scope with BDC is a more cost effective setup.
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Acog or a NF 2x10 x 32. Both will get the job done very nicely. Acog if you are shooting between 25-300 and NF 2x10 if you shoot from 25-800.
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As others have said, the SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 with the donut reticle. Awesome optic for CQB to 500 yards on human sized targets. $799 IIRC. Excellent for 3 gun too.

I'm using a Burris P.E.P.R. QD 30mm mount with mine and have had no problems. It's much cheaper than other similarly constructed mounts.
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SWFA SS 1-4, Vortex Razor HD 1-4, Meopta ZD 1-4 w/ K-Dot, or if you want a great value Burris MTAC 1-4. Then pick between a Larue, ADM, Bobro, or JP mount.

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I didn't suggest any magnifier combo options because I personally have no interest in them.
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1. How would this change the scope you suggest? I ask this in all seriousness, no sarcasm/rudeness intended. Like stated above, I want something that is good for quick, close quarter shooting but can also reach out to around 300 yards.
Plinkers can be happy with 300$ scopes serious shooters generally aren't. 3 gunners are usually looking for specific features in a reticule (like is the illumination visible in bright sunlight for instance). Most 3gun people I know are using the trijicon or meopta's for instance because IIRC the meopta has the brightest dot and the trijicon has a good sized red triangle in the center.

Personally I really like the Super Sniper and Vortex PST 1-4's. They have good reticules. The PST reticule is very quick but the SSniper seems to be a bit brighter. I had a PST for awhile and liked it a lot but since I almost never used it on 1X I sold it for a 2.5-10 IOR (honestly if you aren't planning on doing CQB stuff every time you go to the range I'd seriously consider getting a higher-powered scope in a QD mount the extra magnification is more comfortable).
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Trijicon ACOG! The BAC allows for you to shoot at close quarters with both eyes open and you can easily shoot out to around 300 yards with that ACOG.

Our military is a big supporter of trijicon and most rifles you see in use by our military are equipped with an ACOG.

If you want long and short range capabilities go with ACOG, eotechs and other reddots (became a fan of aimpoint after the pro) are good for shooting up to around 100 meters, I've never been a fan of the red dot + magnifier setup. Too much weight and battery operated on both....
actually not many units get the money for acogs. we all had 68's.

I prefer 68s for m4s anyway.
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I'd recommend an ACOG, love mine just bought a couple more and some RMRs to go with them. Oh and PM Gun Safari, I think they are still doing a group buy for great prices on Trijicon products.
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Hello, I spent a lot of time researching, and then a lot of money buying/building this rifle but I am now at a loss with optics.

I can spend 1400 if necessary, but less is better. It is 5.56 if it matters I want something that will be good for close quarters but that can also reach out at least 300 yards. Debating ACOG or a red dot with magnifier. Suggestions on specific models and why would be amazingly helpful. Thanks for your time
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Personally for civilian usage you definitely don't need to psend $1400 bucks! There are allot of brand that are much cheaper in price AND are good and durable just like the higher priced counterparts.

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If you go with an ACOG I would recommend the TA11. It has just under 1" more eye relief than the 4x32 TA31.

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I'd highly recommend that you contact Mike at CS Tactical. He has a ton of knowledge and sells/uses all of these products.
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400$ on an aimpoint pro!

Amazing value red dot sight, and you can always throw a magnifier on there if you feel you really need one....
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My opinion..screw spending $1400 on optics for a AR15. Something in the $5-700 range would be more than enuff...some people got more $$ than they know what to do with =)

Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 can be had for under $500 then another $50-150 depending how you wanna mount it...BAM ur done for half your budget.!!
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For that budget I would look at an Aimpoint Pro AND a something like a 8x Nikon M223 with an AD Scout mount. As a mediocre shot, I can put 10 out of 10 rounds (supported) into an 8" target at 200yds. With the 2MOA dot, its as easy as put the dot inside the circle and pull the trigger. These results lead me to believe I could hopefully do 5 out of 10 at 300yds? I will find out soon. With that kind of budget I would diversify my choices rather put my eggs in one basket. If you take a carbine course you will prob wish you had a dot.
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My opinion..screw spending $1400 on optics for a AR15. Something in the $5-700 range would be more than enuff...some people got more $$ than they know what to do with =)

Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 can be had for under $500 then another $50-150 depending how you wanna mount it...BAM ur done for half your budget.!!
This is a great scope. I love mine.
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I have an aimpoint pro with Vortex 3x magnifier, a few trijicon reflexes, an ACOG with RMR, and an accupoint 3-9x.

But I am fascinated with the Leatherwood ART M1000 and M1200. I just ordered the M1200 for $450. I am planning on mounting a Trijicon 7 moa RMR (dual illuminated) for CQB @ Botach for $360.

The M1200 is supposed to have great range and a nocalc no fuss for reaching out and touching something. Same tech they used in Vietnam so I hear. Bunch of stuff on youtube about the M1000. The M1200 is 6x-24x for ranges between 300 - 1200 meters. Or you can get the M1000, 2.5x-10x for ranges 250-1000 meters. Both come with integrated mount.

Leatherwood can be preset for 5 separate rifles and can be calibrated for most ammo.

The RMR would require a mount for an offset or possibly mount on scope (need to check clearances).


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Personally I would go with a 1-4 variable scope. They are practically a red dot and acog all in one package. They have the benefits of both platforms, and none of the negatives.
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My opinion..screw spending $1400 on optics for a AR15. Something in the $5-700 range would be more than enuff...some people got more $$ than they know what to do with =)

Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 can be had for under $500 then another $50-150 depending how you wanna mount it...BAM ur done for half your budget.!!
I feel the same way. No reason to spend that much money on a scope for an AR unless you're trying to replicate the looks/specs of a particular gun. The only reason I'm getting an RCOM4 ACOG is for that very reason. If not for that, I would have just picked up the Viper. Doesn't get any better than that for the money.
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None of the variable scopes are built like an ACOG in terms of ruggedness and off the top of my head I can't think of any that are powered without the need for batteries

If you are planning to go the ACOG route, the calguns deal through us is still going on


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According to Trijicon, the Accupoint series TR21/TR24 are built and tested to the same rigorous standards. Accupoints also use the same fiber optic/tritium technology as ACOGs. But the one thing AccuPoints lack is a BDC.
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None of the variable scopes are built like an ACOG in terms of ruggedness and off the top of my head I can't think of any that are powered without the need for batteries
The S&B Short Dot is pretty well regarded for its durability & ruggedness. Does require batteries though! Also not priced under $1400!

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Personally I would go with a 1-4 variable scope. They are practically a red dot and acog all in one package. They have the benefits of both platforms, and none of the negatives.
These type of variable scopes are really fantastic, but there are some considerations to keep in mind:
* ruggedness
* battery life
* parallex/eye relief (shooting from unconventional positions, shooting from support side, etc)
* other things like compatibility with NV, etc

Also, another side note, the variable optics generally do not suffer from the same issues as red dots with regard to folks with astigmatism (or other eye problems) often seeing blurry reticles, comets, streaks, etc.
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ACOG with BAC (probably TA31) if you're primarily mid range with oddball close quarters shooting or Aimpoint (either PRO or T1) + Magnifier if you're the opposite (primarily close shooting with oddball medium range)
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9mm + 5.56mm =
.45ACP + 7.62 NATO =
10mm + 6.8 SPC =


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