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Old 04-05-2011, 9:28 PM
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My dad decided that he wants to get a full size vise for his little shop back home and kindly gave me his old 3-1/2" vise for free! However, when taking it out of the shop he dropped it and one of the three support feet broke off. While I think it will work fine without it I would not mind the extra support. The feet are arrange in a "T" shape and the left most edge one is the guy that snapped off.

I have a feeling that even JB Weld might snap off when I bolt all the feet down to my reloading bench. Even so, it's not too bad because all I can think of using the vise for is AR upper work and demilling AK kits; which should pretty much just be holding objects and not subjecting the base to a bunch of torque. Plus, it beats my current vise setup (nothing ).

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Old 04-05-2011, 9:54 PM
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Brazing it would be the best choice. JB, not so much.
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Old 04-05-2011, 9:57 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, what is brazing? Where/who would have to do it?

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That's pretty much what I figured. I can definitely live with it, just wanted to see if there were any possibly easy fixes to the problem.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:15 PM
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JB weld makes a metal specific type of glue which should hold fairly well as long as you are not pounding on it or applying a lot of pressure to the vise. Plus there are two more holes to bolt it down with.

Its worth a shot.
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JB might work for awhile but as Murphy's says, it'll break at the worst time and probably take a few teeth with it. It can be welded but it'll need to have pre heating and post weld heating to cool it down slowly. Not really an at home kinda deal unless your a pipefitter. I see a trip to Harbor Freight in your future.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:51 PM
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You could JB weld it then mount it and sink a few screws 3/4 of the way in around the base of the vise to help secure it.

Im just throwing out cheap ideas here.
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some machine shops can weld cast iron but you might as well buy another vise for what they would charge you.

my suggestion is position the good mounts on the table to provide the best support when lifting or pushing pressure. And bolt that broken section to your table as it would still support against rotating forces.


Don't be too rough on your Dad, that thing has been cracked for awhile.
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JB weld sucks ***, theres stuff out there called quick steel, its much stronger than JB
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No epoxy has the strength needed -- You can use it to attach the leg but it will not support the load - The photos are not clear on my old monitor but if you have enough "leg" sticking out you could fashion a hold-down clamp to grip the stub --
There is cast iron rod available for welding and silphos rod for "brazing" but the cost to have it done would be more than a new harbor frieght vise --
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some machine shops can weld cast iron but you might as well buy another vise for what they would charge you.

my suggestion is position the good mounts on the table to provide the best support when lifting or pushing pressure. And bolt that broken section to your table as it would still support against rotating forces.


Don't be too rough on your Dad, that thing has been cracked for awhile.
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Haha, there's definitely no hard feelings toward pops. Like I said it's better than my prior setup, being nothing, and he gave it to me for free (even before it was broken). I think I will do as you and a few others have suggested and bolt it in place with the foot as if it were still attached. If it feels a bit sketchy when working on stuff, I guess I'll just have to ditch it for a new one.

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May be a long shot, but call Sears customer support and ask if there are bases that can be purchased. I couldn't quite make out the model numbers to check online.
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http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardw...atalogId=10053

Two diffrent 4 1/2 inch vices for under 22 bucks... I have the second one listed it has held up well so far. May be worth spending the 22 bucks just to save time and head ache....
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Brazing it would be the best choice. JB, not so much.
Agree! Brazing (essentially hi temp soldering with bronze filler rod, oxy/acet torch) would be the easiest repair method. Brazing is unfortunately overlooked these days ... great for cast and stainless.
Also, the AC buzz box cast iron rod would work satisfactorily with, as mentioned above, some pre and post heating, but you'd have to grind out a lot of material all around the break which would be a pain.
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No problem to braze cast iron with silicon bronze rod. It's an easy repair for someone with a little bit of brazing experience. Clamp it to a plate so the feel are all in the same plane when the repair is done, otherwise it may just break again as soon as it's bolted down tight.

It's a nice vice and worth repairing. Much better than the China/India garbage that's mostly around today. Research what a good US made vice costs and you'll se it's worth a quality repair job. There should be plenty of guys with this skill in your area.
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It does seem like a sturdy little vise, but I'm afraid its not american. Its hard to see, but on the underside pic it says japan. Where do they rate in the quality scale of us/china/india?
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I'd stay away from welding this piece. By the time you buy the right filler and pay someone to do the job you could go out and buy a new Wilton from Amazon for less than $100. Just my thought...I'm a welder and I'd estimate the charge to be in the 3-4 hour range with pre and post heating and the materials. Nickel 99 rod isn't cheap... Good luck
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I was able to read that it was made in Japan, as stated above it is a quality vise, that is why I thought you might check Sears if a replacement can be obtained. Though it is a long shot that you will get a replacement base, it doesn't hurt to call and find out before you invest in repairs.

Also as stated above, it can be repaired by someone who is capable.
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I was able to read that it was made in Japan, as stated above it is a quality vise, that is why I thought you might check Sears if a replacement can be obtained. Though it is a long shot that you will get a replacement base, it doesn't hurt to call and find out before you invest in repairs.

Also as stated above, it can be repaired by someone who is capable.
Kinda what I was thinking, does Sears offer the same guarantee as a craftsman that they sell? I'm guessing not otherwise it'd just be a craftsman brand.
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take the bolt out of the center of it and get one long enough to go thru your workbench so you can bolt it down . you won't be able to turn it but it will be solid. {Add big washers under the bolt head first}
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Haha, there's definitely no hard feelings toward pops. Like I said it's better than my prior setup, being nothing, and he gave it to me for free (even before it was broken). I think I will do as you and a few others have suggested and bolt it in place with the foot as if it were still attached. If it feels a bit sketchy when working on stuff, I guess I'll just have to ditch it for a new one.

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You don't have to scrap it. With 2 legs securely attached you should still be able to accomplish most tasks that you would use a vise for, so it will still have
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try welding it with 6011 it might hold for a long time since it is the base or break you never know .
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Cast iron can be brazed. Epoxies, JB weld and such will be useless, but maybe you could use them in conjunction with some pins/screws and that might work.
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May be you can find a suitable replacement part...

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Take a piece of 1/4 inch plate, drill and dremel (or torch cut) the slot for rotation. Drill a hole in the center to bolt it to the bottom of the vise. Counter sink bench for bolt heads. Drill a couple of hold down holes. Bolt it down and there you go! I hate throwing out otherwise good stuff! Or screw it....... roll out to Harbor Freight. They have great deals! HTH c good

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