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Old 11-14-2015, 10:04 PM
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Default $1300 to play with. What optic?

Hey everyone. As the title says. I have $1300 to play with and would like to hear some ideas as far as optics. The rifle it will ride on will be used for medium to close range shooting and will be used and abused and submerged in water about 2-3ft. Im torn between the eotech xps2 with magnifier, aimpoint t2 with magnifier, trijicon ta31f-g. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I have no experience with eotechs or aimpoints but have significant experience with the acog and find its durability to be very attractive. The optic will be riding on a new MR556.
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:10 PM
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Get an Acog since you have experience with them. Look at leupold and vortex offerings.
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:11 PM
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Magnifiers are a bit bulky for me, I'd stick with the ACOG. Leupold HAMR might be worth a look, no experience myself but reviews look good.

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ACOG.
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:48 PM
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At that price, i'd go with a Vortex Razor 1-6

It will allow for different styles of shooting.

The ACOG is one of the best optics ever made for hitting bad guys, but it doesn't do well in other departments i think.

The Vortex will be more fun.
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At that price, i'd go with a Vortex Razor 1-6

It will allow for different styles of shooting.

The ACOG is one of the best optics ever made for hitting bad guys, but it doesn't do well in other departments i think.

The Vortex will be more fun.
I had not thought of the vortex. can you comment on durability? any personal experience with it? Looks like a good option. Im kind of steering away from the eotech at this point, seems they have alot of problems from all the threads ive read. I see what you are saying about the acog.
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Old 11-14-2015, 11:12 PM
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I'd vote Vortex 1-6 or NF 1-4
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Old 11-15-2015, 8:24 AM
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The Razor line is well know for its toughness. A lot of 3 gunners run them hard without issue.

Also keep in mind Vortex has the best warranty in the industry... It's a no bs lifetime no questions asked warranty.

The only down side to it is that it's heavy... Because of the meaty components.

I have to mention at 1x... YoU almost can't see the tube around the glass, it's like a floating image. Also the illumination is daylight bright... But another downside is the battery doesn't last anywhere near as long as an aimpoint, eotech, and certainly no the unlimited life of an ACOG.
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Old 11-15-2015, 8:37 AM
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Call Chris at Sportoptics.com, and ask for the cal gunner price.
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Default $1300 to play with. What optic?

The new ACSS TA31 would be my top choice
http://www.primaryarms.com/ta31-r-acss/p/ta31-r-acss/

More info on the reticle
https://youtu.be/iwdlz5lUXtY
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I'd vote Vortex 1-6 or NF 1-4
+1. I also like the Primary Arms reticle, however the warranty doesn't hold a candle to Nightforce or Vortex. If you get the Primary Arms, you might have to replace it, but you save about $1,000.
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+1. I also like the Primary Arms reticle, however the warranty doesn't hold a candle to Nightforce or Vortex. If you get the Primary Arms, you might have to replace it, but you save about $1,000.

Its an Acog they have a manufacturer lifetime warranty.

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Its an Acog they have a manufacturer lifetime warranty.

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I stand corrected. (I thought the Primary Arms scopes had a 3 or 4 year warranty.) Thanks for the correction.
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I stand corrected. (I thought the Primary Arms scopes had a 3 or 4 year warranty.) Thanks for the correction.

PA optics yes but the ACSS TA31 is from Trijicon
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Im heavily considering the acog with acss reticle. What is the poa at 100yds with that reticle? Tip of chevron?
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+1 for the vortex, I scored one a while ago and I love it. As mentioned above, at 1x you hardly see the scope body. Also the glass is super clear.
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Im heavily considering the acog with acss reticle. What is the poa at 100yds with that reticle? Tip of chevron?
For the 7.62X39, it's the tip of the chevron from 50 yards to 250 yards.
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Just took my Razor out for the first time. I mainly just wanted to test it against my aimpoint T1 at 5, 10, and 15 yards. I don't have a shot timer, so I based it on approximate difference. At 5 yards, the T1 was slightly faster for me at first, but after 10ish rounds with the Razor, I was just as fast with it. It just took me a little work to get used to the eyebox (which is very nice BTW). I saw no differences at 10 or 15 yards for all intents and purposes.

I'm still debating with myself, but I may buy another Razor instead of a T-2 because of how fast the Razor is on 1x while still maintaining a good usable reticle with decent magnification range to make hits all the way out to 600. The only downside I saw to the razor was the weight. It's really not bad, but if you are carrying it all day, every day, I could see it being less appealing.
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Having used the TA31, TA33 and TA11 my vote is for the TA33. The eye relief is so poor on the TA31 I find myself struggling to get a proper cheek weld when going prone from offhand or sitting. To make it work well a stock adjustment is almost a necessity. The TA33 and TA11 are much more forgiving. That said the TA31 is still better than anything else in that price range. The glass is incredible to boot.

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This really got me to thinking. Thanks to the OP and all contributors on this thread. I went out and found a great article that I would like to share. I enjoyed reading it. Hope you guys do also.
http://www.firearmreviews.net/acog-comparison/
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New military steiner 1x4 is going for 699 --> best deal ever.

If you want to have the M27 clone, buy it from lensand lasers for ~1740.
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New military steiner 1x4 is going for 699 --> best deal ever.
Wow... i know what i'll be looking for come black friday.
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Having used the TA31, TA33 and TA11 my vote is for the TA33. The eye relief is so poor on the TA31 I find myself struggling to get a proper cheek weld when going prone from offhand or sitting. To make it work well a stock adjustment is almost a necessity. The TA33 and TA11 are much more forgiving. That said the TA31 is still better than anything else in that price range. The glass is incredible to boot.


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