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Old 11-03-2011, 2:15 PM
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Old 11-03-2011, 4:03 PM
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:12 AM
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Yes to both. But Y is "yellow" in the inland and "young" in the rest of socal... I found that out the hard way.
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Old 11-04-2011, 2:18 AM
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I've gotten clowned a few times for mixing up my military and LEO phonetics on the radio....
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:13 AM
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They've accepted young on the radio. My fto always said just say something, they'll figure it out. So, I have also said "richard" instead of “robert" among various other shenanigans.

Just don't start with the "november niner, grid, tango foxtrot, fire for effect" when the ptsd kicks in.
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Old 11-05-2011, 7:06 PM
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They've accepted young on the radio. My fto always said just say something, they'll figure it out. So, I have also said "richard" instead of “robert" among various other shenanigans.

Just don't start with the "november niner, grid, tango foxtrot, fire for effect" when the ptsd kicks in.
Not an LEO, but rather a transplanted ex-Military Brit. Why do the LEO agencies remain on the old name based phoenitic alphabets rather than the NATO one? Really just curious.

I grinned when I read the last phrase quoted above - I now work in the computer industry and they use yet another phonetic alphabet but I regularly drop back into what I was trained to use under stress. I don't think I could ever NOT use the NATO one, especially under stress.
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Old 11-05-2011, 8:37 PM
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Leos specifically stay with name based phonetics because we are NOT military. Americans are funny like that. We want our police local and non-militaristic, unlike other countries who have national police forces.

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Old 11-06-2011, 12:35 AM
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I agree. It has more to do with public perception than anything.
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Old 11-06-2011, 1:31 AM
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Also, there are no black eyes, only brown. The only black eyes are injuries.

You can also say xylophone, sally, volvo, among other letters. Try it for fun.
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Leos specifically stay with name based phonetics because we are NOT military. Americans are funny like that. We want our police local and non-militaristic, unlike other countries who have national police forces.

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Thanks - makes sense on the perception.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:04 AM
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I have an acquaintance that's a Police Helicopter Pilot. It took him quite a while and a lot of practice not to mix up NATO/ICAO phonetics and Police phonetics when switching between ATC and Police frequencies. Both kinda get a "huh?" response on the radio when used wrong, though more police are familar with NATO/ICAO than pilots/ATC are with police.

"November seven tree fower Foxtrot Hotel inbound for landing, with Wiskey."
"Four Foxtrot Hotel, Make left traffic for 1-6 right. Is that a bottle of Jack?"

Oh, and in my recurrent incident command structure training (volunteer S&R), I get the impression that FEMA is trying to get everyone to drop 10 codes and use plain English.

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Old 11-07-2011, 12:30 AM
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I already know of a few departments already doing that simply to eliminate confusion from laterals from other counties.
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Plain english had been tried for many years, decades even, on the air and in reports. Old habits die hard. We are making progress though.
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Plain english had been tried for many years, decades even, on the air and in reports. Old habits die hard. We are making progress though.
+1 Old habits really do die hard.
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What are your thoughts on using plain english, such as what LAPD uses compared ten codes, etc?
Plain english ain't so plain. Just like common sense ain't so common. The problem is you get some people that just don't know when to stop and ramble on and on. At least with codes, they shut up when they don't know something.
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Old 11-09-2011, 8:30 PM
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Plain english really is catching on though, except for the really major ones 21, 87 etc..

I've also never been clowned for using military phonetics, most might kinda chuckle, but no one has ever corrected me. It's not my fault the department is *** backwards sometimes (wanting to be paramilitary, but goofy phonetics and not wanting to look intimidating anyone?)
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