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Old 08-02-2010, 6:36 PM
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Many earlier hicap guns used the S&W Model 59 mag pattern.
S&W 59 pattern mags fit Kel Tecs as is and Ruger P85 /89s / PC9 with a notch added.
Taurus and Beretta 92 mags are the same shape but curiously use different notch locations.
I don't own a Sig so I can't tell you what pattern they are.

Compare carefully.
Always cut the top of the new notch a little on the low side.
Then put it in the gun and check all functions.
If the mag ends up riding too high (bolt face hits or scrapes on mag rear, top or feed lips), file out the top of the notch a little at a time to lower the mag until you have smooth slide function yet the the mag is positioned as high up as possible.
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you can't modify in such a way that they don't fit their original guns. that would be manufacturing.
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you can't modify in such a way that they don't fit their original guns. that would be manufacturing.
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AFAIK, there are no PC, regulations, or case law that state that, but is basically continuing the way it was done federally during the federal AW ban.
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:56 AM
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If a magazine will fit and mag lips are shaped correctly it's easy to cut slots for mag release. It would be advantagous if they would fit both carbine and original weapon.
Those S&W 6906 mags are my favorite for my KelTec carry gun, and I've also noticed that many hi-caps are simular.
There is no law against ruining a mag so even in the peoples republic of California so get a Dremel make carefull measurements and go for it.
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:08 PM
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I think the only caveat is that he is working with a high cap (10+) mag. If it was just a 10 rd mag...he can ruin and destroy them to his hearts content

As stated earlier, it is my understanding that after modifications, it must still be able to fit the original weapon it was designed for.

In this case, if a Beretta mag is modded to fit a Ruger and it no longer works in the Beretta, there is evidence that the individual destroyed a legal high cap (assuming possession of it prior to 2000) beretta mag and created a new high cap Ruger mag.
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003: Helpful hint:
CA is a big place.
If you looking for someone to help, your location is important to know.
For what you want to do, it is necessary to have both gun and mags in hand.
That means you are looking for someone local to you.
It is suggested that all members put their zip code (or something clever that still gives some idea of your area) in your profile so everyone can see approximately where you are.


Agreed, the mag must still fit and work in the original gun it was for.
If the mods mean the mag won't work in the original gun anymore, then don't do it.
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Please don't get me wrong, I am enjoying reading all of the comments and discussion on the legal merits of what it is I want to do, but this is the gunsmithing forum, not the 2nd amendment forum. What I really need is the "how to do it" information.
that may be the case, but the legality question does matter in the gunsmithing forum as well. A similar question would be iff you can in asking how to make a machinegun or silencer. The legality behind the answer is as important, even more so, than the actual "how to do it" information.
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Please don't get me wrong, I am enjoying reading all of the comments and discussion on the legal merits of what it is I want to do, but this is the gunsmithing forum, not the 2nd amendment forum. What I really need is the "how to do it" information.

Ojisan: Thanks for the advise - - - Ventura County - - I do have all three different mags and gun in hand.

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Before someone goes ahead and tells you how to do it, we all feel responsible for making sure that you stay legal in doing it. I understand that you just want to get her done, but there is an obligation to make sure that someone knows that the laws are before they try and do a modification. Kinda of like new AR owners backing out the allen screw on older AR bullet buttons.

It doesn't take many to ruin it for the rest.
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AFAIK, there are no PC, regulations, or case law that state that, but is basically continuing the way it was done federally during the federal AW ban.
So we are assuming CA enforcement of law follows a defunct Federal AW law?

If it's not specifically prohibited, it is LEGAL. What would they do to arrest, cite a code/section/case law that doesn't exist? Help me understand.

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So we are assuming CA enforcement of law follows a defunct Federal AW law?

If it's not specifically prohibited, it is LEGAL. What would they do to arrest, cite a code/section/case law that doesn't exist? Help me understand.

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yes, we are ASSuming that CA would take the same position that ATF did.

I've asked some of The Right People about this and there opinion was that it wasn't worth pushing at this point.
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you can't modify in such a way that they don't fit their original guns. that would be manufacturing.
This is the way I understand it...
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destruction isn't so awful, remember he can legally repair or replace.

and no, i don't have citations. that has always been the consensus here on calguns, at least the way i've read it. i seriously doubt anyone would ever check anyway.
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destruction isn't so awful, remember he can legally repair or replace.

and no, i don't have citations. that has always been the consensus here on calguns, at least the way i've read it. i seriously doubt anyone would ever check anyway.
+1 motorhead but there are quite a few people that spend more time thinking about what they can't do instead of doing.
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+1 motorhead but there are quite a few people that spend more time thinking about what they can't do instead of doing.
I guess this is the point I can't get over. With parts kits available to fix any booboo this "mod" will do to a magazine...

I've seen less worry about noobs asking about making their own illegal mags from parts kits.

Point made, now carry on!

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