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So taking Freedom week into consideration what all types of Glock mags is everyone running with their PC Carbine?
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So taking Freedom week into consideration what all types of Glock mags is everyone running with their PC Carbine?
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So taking Freedom week into consideration what all types of Glock mags is everyone running with their PC Carbine?
GLOCK.
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I should have been more specific about the size? Glock 17, 19, 26 or the big sticks?
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Just plain Jane Ruger SR9, 17 round mags here.

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I should have been more specific about the size? Glock 17, 19, 26 or the big sticks?
Glock 17, 19, 26, big sticks (33 rd). No drum.
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Just plain Jane Ruger SR9, 17 round mags here.

I'll trade ya my Ruger magwell for your Glock one. Lol
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I plan on buying some of the NcStar VAGPARCA grips. They seem decent enough and cheap.

The SPARC is fine. Good budget red dot at a decent price from a company I like.
I tried one of the NCSTAR grips with ambi finger rests... I like it. Sturdy, easy install, fits and finish is good, ergos/design is nice like a MAGPUL MIAD knock-off, in-grip storage, one-piece... $10 - it works. So there's one NCSTAR product I like, hahah. They have PCC mounts and other accessories too.

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Any problems with the Glock Gen 5 magazines with the orange followers working with PC Carbine?
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No idea on the PC Carbine, but those mags are bigger than the earlier ones, and are a very tight fit in one of my 9mm AR's. Truth be told, at half the price, and with better fit, I'd rather have Magpuls.
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Truth be told, at half the price, and with better fit, I'd rather have Magpuls.
I agree.

The Magpul versions are also lighter, stronger, and slicker
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Any problems with the Glock Gen 5 magazines with the orange followers working with PC Carbine?
I would expect they feed the same, but some ARE bigger and fit tighter SIDE TO SIDE in the PCC. Actually feel like they fit better because less slop. Just an orange follower might not make them gen5 though. I have seen some with the orange follower that fit the same as gen3 because they probably are gen3 (tan sticks with orange follower).

I have seen the new GLOCK 24 rounders not drop free because of the fit (IN PCC). I assume those are gen5. Magpuls fit looser than the newer ones.
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Which ones are ambi? Gen 5 or did that start earlier?
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I meant gen4 I vs gen5 I guess... but I dunno what all the differences are. All I know is the newest ones can fit different... the only ones I have seen that fit different are the 24's. Others with orange follower fit the same and drop free from the Ruger. I bet the other new ones like a 21 are different too... maybe new molds? I dunno. Maybe the sticks with new colors and new followers use the old molds, but the new capacity shells obviously don't.
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So far I've tried 17-round and 33-round mags in my carbine. All are genuine Glock and have orange followers. The 17-rounders drop free; the 33-rounders don't. Also, full 33-rounders have to be inserted with a bit of authority if the bolt is closed. Reliability has been no problem regardless of mag.
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anyone picked up the Midwest Industries handguard?

i'm tempted, but i also want to keep waiting to see if magpul will put out a stock replacement.
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I should have been more specific about the size? Glock 17, 19, 26 or the big sticks?
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Ran some 33 round tan Glock sticks with orange followers this weekend, they are gen 3. Functioned flawlessly!

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I meant gen4 I vs gen5 I guess... but I dunno what all the differences are. All I know is the newest ones can fit different... the only ones I have seen that fit different are the 24's. Others with orange follower fit the same and drop free from the Ruger. I bet the other new ones like a 21 are different too... maybe new molds? I dunno. Maybe the sticks with new colors and new followers use the old molds, but the new capacity shells obviously don't.
The ones I have that don't fit well are ambi and have black followers, both 17 and 33 rounders.
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The relatively new 24 round Glock Gen 5 magazine's with the orange follower work well. 100% reliable. Very pleased.
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The only real difference is the baseplate, they'll work fine.
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I just DROS’d one today. Can’t wait to run some freedom mags through it.
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The relatively new 24 round Glock Gen 5 magazine's with the orange follower work well. 100% reliable. Very pleased.
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Do they drop free?
Yes and they actually hold 25 rounds without a problem.
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Yes and they actually hold 25 rounds without a problem.
Mine doesn’t drop free from a Ruger PCC... but fits better side to side. I blip the mag release while pulling the mag out so it doesn’t bother me but the new mag design is the only one i’ve seen that has friction enough not to drop.

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All new complete takedown chassis system, from California based upstart company, Condition Red Ordnance Mfg. (CROM USA)

ē monolithic top rail
ē 3/6/9 oíclock MLOK
ē flared/extended magwell
ē extended mag release
ē best of all, ability to add ANY Mossberg 500/590 compatible stock!!

This is the most recent prototype. There are additional features coming, as well as a lower top rail and additional weight removed.

More info being released next week on pre-orders and final product.

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This is the most recent prototype. There are additional features coming, as well as a lower top rail and additional weight removed.

More info being released next week on pre-orders and final product.
Boy that thing looks heavy. I hope they're successful in making it without a weight penalty over the original furniture.
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Only downside along with weight is cost that exceeds the cost of the rifle.
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All new complete takedown chassis system, from California based upstart company, Condition Red Ordnance Mfg. (CROM USA)
That's cool. Right here in Folsom, CA.

I'm more interested in info about their 500 Blackout that fires BMG bullets though.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...uu1rKNeIU-I6n8
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Boy that thing looks heavy. I hope they're successful in making it without a weight penalty over the original furniture.


The polymer and brass furniture used by Ruger is actually heavier than aluminum. Unfortunately, adding additional real estate (like a top rail and mlok slots) creates more weight. Despite the size difference, the weight trade off is not far off from the original. Stay tuned for more on the final weight.

This prototype is an opportunity to locate where additional weight and mass can be reduced. There are already plans to add additional features and downsize the top rail height. All things considered, you can expect a huge reduction in the near future.





This product was never intended to be marketed to people on a strict budget. There is a group of PC Carbine owners who want more out of their rifle. Just like some AR15 owners, and some 10/22 owners, they are willing to seek out premium accessories to satisfy that need. There is already a flood of affordable, decent quality, accessories available on the market. There really isnít any more room for entry level companies to join that market.

The primary issue is that the manufacturing process is quite costly, and even more so in California. CROM had the vision to provide an accessory that possessed everything, and more, than every other product on the market. The PC Carbine was already a middle finger to the California law makers. Now CROM is willing to make the PC Carbine into a very Non-PC Carbine. Making that middle finger even BIGGER.

CROM is trying to do for the PCC owners, what TacSol and Volquartsen did for the 10/22 crowd. CROM has already proven that it possessed the ability to make a high end, premium quality, battle rifle. Thatís not for everyone, and thatís ok. Everyone should have options here, and no one should be shamed for being able to take advantage of the options or opportunities afforded to them. This is why the S&W M&P 15 is less than $500 and the LaRue OBR sells for over $2,000. There should be a product for everyone.

Iím not saying CROM is turning a PCC into an OBR just by adding an aluminum chassis. Iím only suggesting everyone weigh the amount of time and effort invested in this endeavor, and add in the intense amount of features and quality that is being provided. Thereís a very good reason why no one else has done this so far... Itís expensive, and expensive is risky.

Please keep an open mind and follow along online. As time and production improve, Iím sure more products will become available to a greater percentage of the gun owner population. Expect big news from CROM, on a HUUUGE range of products, around the first week of June.


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That's cool. Right here in Folsom, CA.

I'm more interested in info about their 500 Blackout that fires BMG bullets though.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...uu1rKNeIU-I6n8


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That's cool. Right here in Folsom, CA.

I'm more interested in info about their 500 Blackout that fires BMG bullets though.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...uu1rKNeIU-I6n8
I'd want one if it could be made with similar attributes of the .300 Blackout - no change in bolt, fits existing magazines (more or less). But I bet by the time you pay for their weird .338 AR and the conversion pieces, it might cost almost as much as a Barrett. There are also not many .50 cal silencers that are of reasonable size, cost, and weight. Something that's not true of .30, .45, or even 9mm silencers that you can use with .300 BLK.

As for that chassis thing, why the hell would they set it up to use shotgun stocks?? Seems like it would be easy to set up an interface for AR buffer tubes.
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As for that chassis thing, why the hell would they set it up to use shotgun stocks?? Seems like it would be easy to set up an interface for AR buffer tubes.
you have to use a shotgun stock because it can provide the same firing hand position. since remember, the pc carbine is a "featureless" gun, so no pistol grip. using AR15 stock will mean your firing hand will have to contort to a weird angle or it will be pulled too far back unless they build in a hand grip to the chassis.
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The polymer and brass furniture used by Ruger is actually heavier than aluminum. Unfortunately, adding additional real estate (like a top rail and mlok slots) creates more weight. Despite the size difference, the weight trade off is not far off from the original. Stay tuned for more on the final weight.

This prototype is an opportunity to locate where additional weight and mass can be reduced. There are already plans to add additional features and downsize the top rail height. All things considered, you can expect a huge reduction in the near future.

This product was never intended to be marketed to people on a strict budget. There is a group of PC Carbine owners who want more out of their rifle. Just like some AR15 owners, and some 10/22 owners, they are willing to seek out premium accessories to satisfy that need. There is already a flood of affordable, decent quality, accessories available on the market. There really isnít any more room for entry level companies to join that market.

The primary issue is that the manufacturing process is quite costly, and even more so in California. CROM had the vision to provide an accessory that possessed everything, and more, than every other product on the market. The PC Carbine was already a middle finger to the California law makers. Now CROM is willing to make the PC Carbine into a very Non-PC Carbine. Making that middle finger even BIGGER.

CROM is trying to do for the PCC owners, what TacSol and Volquartsen did for the 10/22 crowd. CROM has already proven that it possessed the ability to make a high end, premium quality, battle rifle. Thatís not for everyone, and thatís ok. Everyone should have options here, and no one should be shamed for being able to take advantage of the options or opportunities afforded to them. This is why the S&W M&P 15 is less than $500 and the LaRue OBR sells for over $2,000. There should be a product for everyone.

Iím not saying CROM is turning a PCC into an OBR just by adding an aluminum chassis. Iím only suggesting everyone weigh the amount of time and effort invested in this endeavor, and add in the intense amount of features and quality that is being provided. Thereís a very good reason why no one else has done this so far... Itís expensive, and expensive is risky.

Please keep an open mind and follow along online. As time and production improve, Iím sure more products will become available to a greater percentage of the gun owner population. Expect big news from CROM, on a HUUUGE range of products, around the first week of June.


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The polymer and brass furniture used by Ruger is actually heavier than aluminum. Unfortunately, adding additional real estate (like a top rail and mlok slots) creates more weight. Despite the size difference, the weight trade off is not far off from the original. Stay tuned for more on the final weight.

This prototype is an opportunity to locate where additional weight and mass can be reduced. There are already plans to add additional features and downsize the top rail height. All things considered, you can expect a huge reduction in the near future.





This product was never intended to be marketed to people on a strict budget. There is a group of PC Carbine owners who want more out of their rifle. Just like some AR15 owners, and some 10/22 owners, they are willing to seek out premium accessories to satisfy that need. There is already a flood of affordable, decent quality, accessories available on the market. There really isnít any more room for entry level companies to join that market.

The primary issue is that the manufacturing process is quite costly, and even more so in California. CROM had the vision to provide an accessory that possessed everything, and more, than every other product on the market. The PC Carbine was already a middle finger to the California law makers. Now CROM is willing to make the PC Carbine into a very Non-PC Carbine. Making that middle finger even BIGGER.

CROM is trying to do for the PCC owners, what TacSol and Volquartsen did for the 10/22 crowd. CROM has already proven that it possessed the ability to make a high end, premium quality, battle rifle. Thatís not for everyone, and thatís ok. Everyone should have options here, and no one should be shamed for being able to take advantage of the options or opportunities afforded to them. This is why the S&W M&P 15 is less than $500 and the LaRue OBR sells for over $2,000. There should be a product for everyone.

Iím not saying CROM is turning a PCC into an OBR just by adding an aluminum chassis. Iím only suggesting everyone weigh the amount of time and effort invested in this endeavor, and add in the intense amount of features and quality that is being provided. Thereís a very good reason why no one else has done this so far... Itís expensive, and expensive is risky.

Please keep an open mind and follow along online. As time and production improve, Iím sure more products will become available to a greater percentage of the gun owner population. Expect big news from CROM, on a HUUUGE range of products, around the first week of June.

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That chassis looks awesome. Will definitely be keeping my eye out for updates.
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