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Old 02-03-2019, 12:23 PM
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Default Possible to remove the Aero Precision logo (A) from an M4E1 lower receiver?

Anyone try polishing off the big (A) logo on the side of an Aero Precision lower receiver? These lowers are great but since I have a few rifles I'd like to make them unique with my own custom artwork engraved in place of the(A) logo. I'm assuming I would need to have the cerekote beadblasted first, then polish the side down to the engraving depth, just curious if anyone has done this or heard of this being done. Thanks in advance!

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Old 02-03-2019, 7:43 PM
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It would almost be cheaper to get another lower.
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Old 02-03-2019, 7:50 PM
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How do you mean? It doesnít seem that difficult but I canít be the only one whoís wanted to replace an engraving, am I??
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You're asking people to tell you how to commit a felony. See PC 23900.
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Old 02-03-2019, 8:12 PM
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Wut? Maybe you should re-read my question LOL! Just the big ďAĒ logo that covers one side of the mag well, not the identifying markings of course. XD
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The only way to properly do this would be to mill it. Doing it by hand would look shotty. Once it was milled, you’d engrave and anodize.

Cheaper to buy a lower without the roll marks on the magwell and pay an engraver to engrave to your preference
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I would use an end mill. Bye bye logo.
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Old 02-03-2019, 8:19 PM
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The only way to properly do this would be to mill it. Doing it by hand would look shotty. Once it was milled, youíd engrave and anodize.

Cheaper to buy a lower without the roll marks on the magwell and pay an engraver to engrave to your preference
Yeah thatís what I was thinking but figured Iíd ask here all the same. I contacted AP and they donít offer a clean lower without their logo, unfortunately.
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Old 02-03-2019, 8:40 PM
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I would use an end mill. Bye bye logo.
I donít have a CNC, maybe a Dremel for the majority of the material and then sanding with cutting fluid and a lot of polish to even it out to make it look seamless. Tempted to give it a shot (no pun intended). If anyone has done this though Iíd love to hear your experiences!
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Anderson (and others) make minimalist "ghost" lowers for like $50.

Are you trying to use this specific receiver because it's registered? I can't imagine why one would want to spend so much time when lowers are DIRT cheap right now.
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Wut? Maybe you should re-read my question LOL! Just the big ďAĒ logo that covers one side of the mag well, not the identifying markings of course. XD
A logo is an identifying mark--it identifies the manufacturer.

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A logo is an identifying mark--it identifies the manufacturer.
Heh, no itís perfectly legal just like changing the cerekote color or adding filigree or removing someoneís engraved initials.

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Anderson (and others) make minimalist "ghost" lowers for like $50.

Are you trying to use this specific receiver because it's registered? I can't imagine why one would want to spend so much time when lowers are DIRT cheap right now.
I like the M4E1 design and Iíve built several rifles with these lowers already, just looking to fancy them up a bit.
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I like the M4E1 design and I’ve built several rifles with these lowers already, just looking to fancy them up a bit.
Trying to lower the whole surface where the engraving exists to eliminate the engraving will be very difficult with a Dremel or other hand tools unless you have a LOT of time and just hand sand it with a sanding block.

The better solution is to fill the offending engraving in with the epoxy/bondo type filler of your choice and sand it all smooth/flush with the rest of the receiver.
Make sure the filler will be good for Ceracoat temperatures and blast prep.

Then do your new engraving.

Then Ceracoat the whole reciever.
The Ceracoat will cover the differences in material in the engraving due to some of the base material being aluminum and other parts being filler.

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Trying to lower the whole surface where the engraving exists to eliminate the engraving will be very difficult with a Dremel or other hand tools unless you have a LOT of time and just hand sand it with a sanding block.

The better solution is to fill the offending engraving in with the epoxy/bondo type filler of your choice and sand it all smooth/flush with the rest of the receiver.
Make sure the filler will be good for Ceracoat temperatures and blast prep.

Then do your new engraving.

Then Ceracoat the whole reciever.
The Ceracoat will cover the differences in material in the engraving due to some of the base material being aluminum and other parts being filler.
Thatís a fantastic idea. Iím not sure how bondo reacts to heat or a laser engraver but there are some other aluminum fillers out there as well. I like this idea way more than removing all that material, thank you!!
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That’s a fantastic idea. I’m not sure how bondo reacts to heat or a laser engraver but there are some other aluminum fillers out there as well. I like this idea way more than removing all that material, thank you!!
Ceracoat may even offer a filler product for this type of work.
Mechanical engraving will be better than laser engraving as a mechanical cutter doing the engraving will not be effected by differences in the material it is engraving.
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This JB-Weld stuff looks like it might do the trick. It can stand up to 550 degrees and Cerakote oven cure is only 250. J-B Weld 8281 Professional Size Steel Reinforced Epoxy Twin Pack - 10 oz. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014OVHAOY

Thanks again for the suggestion ar15barrels, it may be a few months before I try this but I will post an update when I do!
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DEVCON Aluminum Putty is my top choice for filler on metals. It's a bit expensive but machineable and acts like bondo. Ive used it to fill pinholes on bumpers that were getting powdercoated. Holds up to heat extremely well. Respirator city, the fumes are nuts and can knock you out.
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OP, don’t waste your time! TBH, it doesn’t sound like to you have any experience working with metal and tooling. You’re going to ruin at least one lower, probably more trying these work around bondo type of things.. You don’t own a mill. Aluminum is more difficult to work by hand than steel.

Just buy a “ghost” lower from Anderson. Buy 5 and save on DROS and shipping.
https://www.andersonmanufacturing.co...nodized-black/
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DEVCON Aluminum Putty is my top choice for filler on metals. It's a bit expensive but machineable and acts like bondo. Ive used it to fill pinholes on bumpers that were getting powdercoated. Holds up to heat extremely well. Respirator city, the fumes are nuts and can knock you out.
Do I have the right stuff here? https://www.amazon.com/Devcon-10610-.../dp/B016ME6TTI

My only concern here is the temperature rating from the manufacturer is only 250 degrees? I'd probably want something a bit higher tolerance than 250 just to be sure it won't melt or debond when I send it to be cerakoted. Here's another product that might work: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-16.../dp/B002UJ4WVC

@9mmContagion with all due respect you're not really being helpful.
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@9mmContagion with all due respect you're not really being helpful.
Keep is updated on your venture!
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Default Possible to remove the Aero Precision logo (A) from an M4E1 lower receiver?

Laser like for engraving could easily remove it and create another logo there. But that logo is comparatively deep, so youíll likely have an ugly step down or indent there.

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Keep is updated on your venture!
Agree. I totally want to see the outcome. Esp how much time & money was spent just to change to looks on your purse AR.
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I was gonna say fill (maybe steel epoxy), or alter the brand like the cattle rustlers did.
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Keep is updated on your venture!
I definitely will thank you! And Iíll probably be testing on a scrap before messing with any of my existing lowers. Only holdup is that Iím not sure I want to spend $300-$400 on cerakote and engraving that I might rather spend on another gun!
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I definitely will thank you! And Iíll probably be testing on a scrap before messing with any of my existing lowers. Only holdup is that Iím not sure I want to spend $300-$400 on cerakote and engraving that I might rather spend on another gun!
Thatís about the cost of 6-7 lowers... Sure if youíre looking for a project, but that was the point of my posts above. Cerakote alone is more than a lower, not including your labor + engraving of custom artwork.

Iím still interested in seeing the final work if you really do tackle it though
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