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Old 10-23-2018, 9:30 PM
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Default 1911 problem. Update on posts #21 and 33.

I have just purchased a Colt 1911 pre series 70 in 38Super. I purchased this off gunbroker. To say the least I am pissed. When it took it apart I found these two issues. The rust under the grips and there is a piece of wire under the slide rails. I have asked for my money back from the seller. Any how here are the pictures of this "gem". Is this thing even safe to shoot ? Sorry, I just had to vent.
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Old 10-23-2018, 9:32 PM
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$215 piece of wire.

http://www.acc-u-rail.com/

Rust can be dealt with in the usual way.
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Old 10-23-2018, 9:39 PM
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$215 piece of wire.

http://www.acc-u-rail.com/

Rust can be dealt with in the usual way.
Thanks for the link. I have never seen this before. Is this something that is commonly used ?
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Old 10-23-2018, 9:44 PM
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Many will opine OP...just want to ask the obvious question- how much did it cost you? Thanks for sharing. No matter, it is still a Colt.
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As soon as you saw the two tone thumb safety/hammer/beavertail grip safety in the auction - you should have been saying to yourself ‘Bubba was here’.

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No matter, it is still a Colt.
Has the frame been ground to blend that beavertail grip safety? Because more like ‘was a Colt at one time’ if so. Doubt that finish is original either. And is that even a Colt barrel?

Looks like it was sporting an ambi-safety at some point too, from the rub marks under the right grip.
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Old 10-23-2018, 9:46 PM
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This may be just a surface rust, see if you can clean it with some scotchbrite and Hoppe's #9. Clean the gun well, re-lube and reassemble, it should be fine. Worst case, replace the grips with a new ones.
As others said this gun has Accurails installed, so the slide to frame fit must be pretty tight. If the barrel is properly fitted, the gun should be able to shoot some very tight groups.
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You go sanding on it, it’s yours. I doubt anyone is taking it back after that. So before you start rubbing on it with a penny or scrub pad, be sure you want it. Inspect it for cracks, be sure the slide/barrel lugs aren’t worn to heck, etc.

I guess it depends on what you paid and what you expected. If you thought you were buying an original Colt, then I can see where you’d be very disappointed indeed.
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...just saw the serial number. Soon enough, someone will comment on it and question whether or not it is a Colt.
I bet someone is checking it now.
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...just saw the serial number. Soon enough, someone will comment on it and question whether or not it is a Colt.
I bet someone is checking it now.
I already did. 1966.

And I questioned the frame since the Colt markings are not there, but it does have a Vp roll mark on the left trigger guard so I am guessing it is a Colt frame, albeit one that has seen better days.
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Accurails were the end all be all. If you didn’t have them done in that time period they were being done then you weren’t a real competition shooter. They work and they work well. Problem is they can only be repaired by an authorized accurail dealer and there is only 1 now. If one breaks and they can you’re sorta in a bind.


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Old 10-24-2018, 6:44 AM
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Thanks for all the advice. I paid $965.00 with shipping. I knew that the gun had been modified. It has a Kart barrel and Novak sights. Those were mentioned in the auction. I bought this to shoot,not collect. I just wish the seller had been more up front. I was worried that I bought a paper weight. I have not heard back from the seller. Hopefully this thing will shoot well.
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Thanks for the link. I have never seen this before. Is this something that is commonly used ?
Only on guns that people want to make more accurate by tightening up the fit of the slide and frame.
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Thanks for the link. I have never seen this before. Is this something that is commonly used ?
Back then 1911's were notoriously loose and sloppy. This was one way to "upgrade" 1911's in the late 80's and 90's when I first started shooting IPSC. The other was peening/swaging the rails or "squeezing" the slide. Either peening or squeeze method had drawbacks, but the rails were "High-tech".

As to the rust under the grips, that's pretty common too with older 1911's. I think you got a decent value but others may disagree.

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As to the rust under the grips, that's pretty common too with 1911's when people don’t remove grips when cleaning.

Fixed it for you. I see this all the time. Moisture gets trapped under the grips and this area is neglected often when it comes to cleaning the gun.




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Yeah, I always assumed it was due to everyone using WD-40 exclusively back then...
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Here are some after photos

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Looks better already. Someone had a lot of work done to that pistol. Front slide serrations, sights, along with everything else already mentioned. What does the VIS look like, and the upper lugs? Maybe $950 wasn’t bad if it isn’t shot out.
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Accu rails were the hot mod for a few years. People were paying good money for them. Knew lots of people that had it done. The improvement in the slide/frame fit was impressive. It was a fad of sorts that as I remember it, lasted a few years. There were a few stories here and there of binding problems. I suspect mostly from guys that thought it was a good idea to remove and clean under them. One friend had one get loose and bind. He sent it back and had no further issues.

I don't think they are horrible, but I would generally avoid them due to the fact it's a proprietary system. I'd certainly be unhappy to be surprised by it upon receiving the gun. It's something that the seller should disclose upfront or at least provide evidence of in a good picture.
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IIRC, the wires were available in different diameters so as wear occurred the wires could be replaced to take up any slack.
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Doug Jones of Accurail is still around doing work. He fit my 9mm barrel onto a 2011 frame when I shot out the barrel. He does amazing work!
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I have now shot the pistol a few times. I am very happy with how it shoots. I was hoping to replace the beavertail with one in blue. Does any one recognize who made this one ? Thanks for everyone's help.
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i think it's Ed Brown
https://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...rod112501.aspx
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Let me look at this another way. Is there anyone in Socal that will blue a single piece ?
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.I think you are right.
The test is to hit it with cold blue.
If it's stainless, the cold blue won't take.
If it's iron based steel, the cold blue would take.

From your picture, it sure looks stainless to me.
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It's an Ed Brown beavertail.

Keep in mind they were sometimes fitted and blended with the gun- a new one may stick out a little.

Grab one from Brownells- you can return it easily if it doesn't work.
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Looks okay i wouldnt be unhappy just hope it wasnt a premium
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WHY ARE YOU MESSING WITH THE GUN?

Go shoot another 1,000 rounds to see what it does. Then consider changes beyond the recoil spring.
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WHY ARE YOU MESSING WITH THE GUN?

Go shoot another 1,000 rounds to see what it does. Then consider changes beyond the recoil spring.
Why are you yelling at me ?
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He could not find the button for large text.
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Under the grips look how’d I’d expect looking at the rest...
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Here is where I am at now. I am very happy with it now. It shoots good and has lost some of the "custom look".
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Much better...nice job
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Accu rails were the hot mod for a few years. People were paying good money for them. Knew lots of people that had it done. The improvement in the slide/frame fit was impressive. It was a fad of sorts that as I remember it, lasted a few years. There were a few stories here and there of binding problems. I suspect mostly from guys that thought it was a good idea to remove and clean under them. One friend had one get loose and bind. He sent it back and had no further issues.

I don't think they are horrible, but I would generally avoid them due to the fact it's a proprietary system. I'd certainly be unhappy to be surprised by it upon receiving the gun. It's something that the seller should disclose upfront or at least provide evidence of in a good picture.
I remember the Accu-rail fad in the early 90’s. Too many ‘smiths weren’t competent at peening and squeezing rails of sloppy hardened frames. The accu-rails were a way that any authorized ‘smith could consistently tighten frames with a built in way of eliminating wear slop. They lost favor due to cost and the better tolerances of aftermarket slides and frames. Caspian and all the other 1911 makers making oversized slides and frames also contributed to the demise of that system.
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Better in blue. But I like the older double diamond grips
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I already did. 1966.

And I questioned the frame since the Colt markings are not there, but it does have a Vp roll mark on the left trigger guard so I am guessing it is a Colt frame, albeit one that has seen better days.
Yes,the VP(inside the triangle)is there,although faint. Definitely a Colt frame.

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