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And, what if you decide to not call it in?
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I wasn't aware of anything special related to multiple long gun sales. The issue of adding a long gun to an existing DROS has been quite the topic of discussion with disagreements between established and respected Calguns-friendly FFLs, almost as bad as mentioning "Downwind turn" on a general aviation forum
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Gun is recovered, first step is to find out what dealer it was shipped to. Unless it's a handgun, every future transfer requires a phone call or visit to the next owner in line. I buy a new gun from WFA, then I sell it to a friend through Riflegear, then he sells it to someone else through Turner's, then he sells it to someone else through somewhere else. That buyer then gifts it to his grandson, who then sells it to someone else, etc..... Eventually it is stolen and turns up in Mexico. ATF/DOJ contact WFA and get my information. They then contact me. I waive my 5A rights and tell them who I sold it to and where. They then contact him, and so on. All it takes is one private citizen to assert their 5A rights or claim the gun was stolen and they are either forced to get a warrant, or the trail goes cold. Handguns make it a little easier (in states that require registration) because they can at least go directly to the last registered owner, but again, if he asserts his 5A rights or claims the gun was stolen, the trail goes dead and they don't likely have enough evidence to pin down the exporter.
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My thoughts exactly.
Underground legislation. I haven't seen anything in the PC or USC that says "The law is anything a BATFE/DOJ agent says it is."
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Multiple handgun purchases are reported on a form which is faxed to both ATF and DOJ...this "new" requirement is only for the "border States" TX,NM,AZ,CA. Read more here: http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...n-webcast.html
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So, this is happening for one year only?
That might effect sales...
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I have refused to sell a firearm at a gun show to a black woman who had a under aged (teenager) with her picking out the handgun while wearing a Raiders jacket and gang colors. I had to ask the kid to NOT handle the handguns, which was clearly posted on my tables, after I heard him say "I like teh feel of this one". They left my tables but came back 30 minutes later and the mother wanted to buy the handgun her son wanted. I had to tell her no and why and that if she had come by herself I would have been happy to sell her the firearm. It seemed to me and other FFLs at the show that the kid was the one wanting the gun.
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Ok, believe it or not, they are still here.When I first posted it was ATF's field agents that were here because of the story in the Washington Post. The 22nd and 23rd Doj was here along with ATF's peolple. ATF returned the 28th-30th. Done with ATF everything came out great. DOJ returns the 4th of January to finish up their part. Crazy crazy 2010 for us. One for the books.
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Unfortunately, Google either hasn't picked up on it, or has been tweaked to ignore it. Interesting that Google has a bunch of links to threads on CGN and Yahoo doesn't.
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Yeah I know but it doesn't bother me because I know they're not gonna find anything. We are as straight as an arrow, we have have nothing to hide, heck I think we're gonna upgrade our license to manufacture.
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You should start doing off-roster conversions Oh...and send that HACK writer a coupon for 10% off a gun purchase
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”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown ”A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” ~George Washington |
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