|
Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#121
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
yes.
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#122
|
||||
|
||||
follow the flowchart, if you answer no to the 'detachable mag' question, you skip the "evil features" question.
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#123
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
On a side note...still a ton of basic questions being asked. If you can't figure it out based on the flowchart or the search...you may want to rethink you intent to buy a OLL, because there may become a day where you'll have to explain the legality of your rifle to a LEO and if you were spoon fed answers on this forum your ability to recall why your rifle it legal may be suspect...at least IMO. Maybe it's just me, but taking the hours or days to figure things out by reading and searching sticks in my head much better than being force fed answers. There's no question about OLL that can't be answered by using the search or the flowchart...none...they've been asked...there are no new questions...I guarantee it.
__________________
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have, starting with your sense self reliance." - Mark Steyn |
#124
|
||||
|
||||
Heading to RifleGear in the AM to pick the last piece of the "Evil-Feature-Less" puzzle - Replacing my A2 flash suppressor with a muzzle brake.
And here is a question that may be too simple to answer: I've built my AR style rifle to be "Evil-Feature-Less" with a HammerHead, fixed stock, removed the Raddock button, and muzzle brake - NO forward grip, pistol grip, flash suppressor, thumb hole or adjustable stock, or grenade/flare launcher - Can I still use 10 round mags...? I've got my ancient set of old hi-cap mags rebuilt to run with the new 6.8 upper - But nobody has mentioned using 10 round mags on an "Evil-Feature-Less" build. If its a stupid question - I blame the scotch.........
__________________
. $500 Donation to any Veterans Charity - Plus $500 Gift Card to any gun store: Visit 2nd Amendment Mortgage / www.2AMortgage.com |
#126
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Even with the flow chart, the AW laws are a Byzantine mess. LEOs and DAs can't even keep them straight. Support CGF. Help us tear down these bad laws. http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/donate
__________________
Rest in Peace - Andrew Breitbart. A true student of Alinsky. 90% of winning is simply showing up. "Let's not lose sight of how much we reduced our carbon footprint by telecommuting this protest." 383green NRA Benefactor Member |
#127
|
|||
|
|||
Hi all, I have a few queestions? I am going to go pick up a new m&p15t in the next week that I recently ordered. My main question is how often do the folks at the range see these things and is it safe to go to a local range with it? Chances are that there will be LEO's there and the last thing I want to do is create a situation that draws attention to me. *** far as I know it is a legal AR and it definately has a BB on it and just to be safe I will never go to the range with anything more than a 10 rd magazine. I have already purchased some 30 round magazines set to hold 10 rounds, but I don't want to draw attention to anything that would arouse suspicion.
I am also printing out a copy of the letter that has been circulated with the Sacramento Sheriff Department in regards to these rifles. This copy will be in my case at all times just in case I would happen to need it. I don't drive like a maniac, I don't drink, and I don't do things that would attract the attention of the law. However, going to the range with one of these rifles could potentially put me in contact with someone that is against the ownership of the rifles. One more thing, I do not plan to run out to the range on day one. My plan is do more and more research, then call the range I plan on going to and ask questions and then most likely join the range as a member. I have one in mind based on recomondations from friends, but I don't know how often they see these rifles and whether or not people pee their pants because of the big scary ar15. thanks in advance for your help |
#128
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#129
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
"Si Vis Pacem Parabellum" NRA Life Member since 1978 NRA Endowment Member since 2016 CRPA Life Member 2022 Last edited by hk91666; 11-21-2010 at 8:32 PM.. |
#130
|
||||
|
||||
I've never had a problem at Sac Valley and I've taken things that are arguably scarier looking than a BB'ed AR, though I have had my ARs there too. Everyone I have talked with there has been decently knowledgeable about the gun laws. Occasionally people will express interest and ask questions but that is fine with me. I've never had anyone who identified him or herself as a Law Enforcement Officer but all my guns legally configured so I guess I don't worry much.
Sac Valley is no problem. Shoot with peace of mind. You had better stick to only 10 round mags or less for BB'ed guns. If you want to use larger mags you have to go featureless. You probably meant that, I just wanted to clarify.
__________________
I am a member of the human race. All relevant information is to be found in my passport. And except when there is good reason for suspecting me of some crime, I will refuse to submit to police interrogation, on the grounds that any such interrogation is an intolerable nuisance. And life being as short as it is, a waste of time. Any infringement on my privacy, or interference with my liberty, any assault, however petty, against my dignity as a human being, will be rigorously prosecuted-Orson W. |
#131
|
||||
|
||||
I'll jump up and down on the limb and guess he was speaking of the Supreme Court case of McDonald vs Chicago.
__________________
Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again. - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO (Revised Eastern Sect Edition) |
#132
|
||||
|
||||
So I've added the new Benelli MR1 to my CA legal collection of auto rifles. (includes Kel Tec SU 16 CA, MP 15 22, and SR 22). I'm sticking with the featureless route and 22s until I see something in writing from DOJ or LAPD or LASD that oks bullet buttons. I know...I'm still a *****. BTW, the MR1 with the comfotech stock is a fun rifle but a pain to tear down.
|
#133
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
In your case, I would keep a BB installed- your rifle is chambered for a centerfire round, regardless of the adapter inserted IMO. Now let the lawyers chime in...
__________________
Tzvia RIP Kelev my sweet Lab (and avatar). The best dog in the known universe. Thank you for 14 wonderful years. I will see you again one day. |
#134
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
That S&W lower is GTG with a bullet button installed- back when the list came into being, they were not making ARs so are not on the list, and thanks to Aaaannnnaaaalld no other 'assault weapons' can be added by brand and model.
__________________
Tzvia RIP Kelev my sweet Lab (and avatar). The best dog in the known universe. Thank you for 14 wonderful years. I will see you again one day. |
#135
|
||||
|
||||
OLL = off-list lower, a receiver that isn't on the list of named assault weapons.
Here is a list of acronyms that are commonly used on the forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...hlight=acronym . Yes, there are a lot, and not all are documented, but you need to read and you will start to pick up the lingo. Most of us aren't gonna take the time to spell out "off list lower", "registered assault weapon" "law enforcement officer", etc and are just gonna say OLL, RAW, LEO, etc.
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#136
|
||||
|
||||
Curious - There are a few people in this thread that are not convinced that a bullet button is legal and I'm trying to grasp their logic.
Question - If Legally a bullet is considered a tool then any logical person would assume that there must be a device that can be manipulated by that tool otherwise why have the tool or for that matter address this tool in Title 11, Division 5, Chapter 39, Department of Justice Regulations for Assault Weapons and Large Capacity Magazines. In my opinion because this is specifically addressed in ARTICLE 2. DEFINITIONS OF TERMS USED TO IDENTIFY ASSAULT WEAPONS 5469 any judge or LEO would be hard pressed to find to the contrary. Make sense? |
#137
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
You can't reach some folks. Conserve your energy.
__________________
Rest in Peace - Andrew Breitbart. A true student of Alinsky. 90% of winning is simply showing up. "Let's not lose sight of how much we reduced our carbon footprint by telecommuting this protest." 383green NRA Benefactor Member |
#138
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Also, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you don't need to lock a rifle either, only a handgun.
__________________
Respect all, fear none. |
#139
|
||||
|
||||
Even for rifles/shotguns, It's good practice to lock, or place in trunk, just in case you pass through school zones.
|
#140
|
||||
|
||||
True about the mag. False about transporting. Niether a long gun nor a handgun is required to be locked while transporting unless, the handgun is concealed in any way and/or you are traveling through a GFSZ. When traveling through a GFSZ, all firearms must be locked!
__________________
NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun and Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor California DOJ Certified Fingerprint Roller Ventura County approved CCW Instructor Utah CCW Instructor Offering low cost multi state CCW, private basic shooting and reloading classes for calgunners. CCW SAFE MEMBERSHIPS HERE KM6WLV |
#141
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
edit: sorry, I see why, I said lock handgun. But I am still under the belief that unless openly carried on a holster, it must be put in a locked container, a trigger or barrel lock does not count. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/travel.php Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Respect all, fear none. Last edited by tonb; 01-31-2011 at 12:19 PM.. |
#142
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#143
|
||||
|
||||
I had once thought that too but I recall reading a thread in here where a calgunner had his life turned upside down for having an unloaded pistol on the passenger seat during a routine stop. Arrested, the whole 9 yards. Was I dreaming?
__________________
Respect all, fear none. |
#144
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Sounds about on-par for CA law, though...so you never know. [edit] clarified wording. Last edited by Chris M; 01-31-2011 at 2:34 PM.. |
#145
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
you can open carry in your vehicle, as long as it is not concealed. just have to watch out for GFSZ's.
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#146
|
||||
|
||||
This is probably a newb question...But if I am transporting several long guns and 2-3 hand guns all (unloaded of course) in a large SUV. Do all of these firearms need to be in a locker? I have been had these laying in the back under towel (literally). Please clarify if the lock box is to protect property or to be legally compliant. Thanks in advance
__________________
Originally Posted by Lone_Gunman View Post Americans stormed the beaches of Normandy, not Europeans. Americans invented the airplane, personal computer, telephone, radio, TV, GPS, the DVR, automatic transmission, laser, and f'ing bubble gum. EUROPEANS DIDN"T. So until you asshats start providing the world with more innovation than Americans do how about you STFU about us? |
#147
|
|||
|
|||
OK, this is the way I think about transporting guns.
This is the general rule: 1) Everything needs to be unloaded 2) Everything needs to be in a locked "container." An SUV is not a locked container, but a car trunk is. 3) If you don't drive though any GFSZ, then the rifles don't have to be in a locked container. But the pistols still do, no matter what. It's safer to start with the assumption that everything must be unloaded and in a locked container, then adjust as needed. Quote:
|
#148
|
||||
|
||||
EDIT-
think i found my own answer 16" barrels dont need to have the muzzle brake pinned/welded dont gamble with muzzle brakes that also are flash hiders Last edited by nation; 02-09-2011 at 6:27 AM.. |
#149
|
|||
|
|||
So I haven't read ALL the pages here but I have two quick questions:
I know how a "locked container" can be the trunk of a car (not an SUV), because trunklids basically require a KEY to open. But what if I can access the trunk from inside the car by pulling down the rear seats, which does not require a key? Does the trunk still count as a "locked container"? Also, what are you supposed to do if you get pulled over for whatever trivial reason and the officer asks you if you have any guns or weapons in the car? Would you have to say yes? Which then probably means there is a high chance they may want to see it which will then start trouble? Thanks |
#150
|
|||
|
|||
You do not need to say anything to a police officer.
Quote:
|
#151
|
|||
|
|||
The other day some friends and I were shooting on family private property. A local sheriff who lived down the road stopped by to see what we were doing. Since I saw him coming, I put my rifle in the trunk.
He didn't ask to inspect the gun - and I am not even sure that he could, since I was parked right on the private property boundary, and not on a public road. But he asked an open ended question: "What are you shooting?" I said "7.62x39." If I had said "an AK" - it might have caused him to want to look at the gun. The point is that what I did was subtle - I gave him a reason to leave, and didn't give him an excuse to escalate. That is the kind of stuff that you learn when you get a little older - it's not necessarily an age thing - but age helps. |
#152
|
||||
|
||||
I understand that, and for the same reason, I thank all the CGN members for sharing their experiences. I've learned a lot from you guys. I learned how to be a law abiding, responsible gun owner. I just think that people shouldn't make biased assumptions. I was a firearm noobie, but thanks to all the CGN people, I now have a firm grasp of the firearm laws. It is unfair, and uncalled for, when someone singles out a certain demographic as the burden of blame. That's my two cents.
|
#153
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
So even though I can legally toss an unloaded pistol on my passenger seat, odds are I'm kissing asphalt if I get pulled over regardless of the law. So the smart thing to do would be to place it in a locked container. Just my 2 cents.
__________________
Respect all, fear none. Last edited by tonb; 02-15-2011 at 8:05 AM.. |
#154
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
At border checkpoints (crossings, airports, etc), your 4th Amendment rights do not exist. BP can detain you, search your car, trunk, etc.., without a warrant, PC, or even a reasonable suspicion. |
#155
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Just because you can legally OC, doesnt mean that its always a good idea to do it. Why draw the attention to yourself? If a LE Officer thinks you look suspicious, they are going to engage you, and trying to tell them "No officer, Im excercising my Constitutional rights (even though the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply to the states, although the recent SCOTUS case held that it may), you cant arrest me" is not going to help you. If they want to arrest you, they will, and therefore your remedy only lies after the fact. Walking around, trying to prove a point by carrying a gun because its your "right" is fine and dandy, but be reasonable about it. There is zero point to carrying your Glock OC while standing in line at McDonalds. Your just making everyone nervous who doesnt care about guns, and drawing unneccessary attention to yourself. If you really want freedom to carry a gun, move to Arizona. |
#156
|
|||
|
|||
It is a LOT better than it used to be.
1) a few years ago - you could not even GET EBR's in this state. 2) a few years ago - there were NO shall issue CCWs in CA (there are now in some counties, with more on the way). Those are just examples. . . This stuff is the result of work that people on this forum (and certain others) have done. Stick around and get involved. It's a major movement now - with thousands of people working in every county of the state to change these stupid laws - AND WE ARE WINNING. Quote:
|
#157
|
|||
|
|||
Agreed - but don't let that give you a sense of false security. I know of people who were mistakenly arrested for mere possession of an off-list stripped receiver.
Until LE gets better training from the DOJ, we will see this kind of stuff. Quote:
|
#158
|
|||
|
|||
We all go back and forth on that. I really do not have a good answer. . . although I tend towards the "no" answer. . .
See, I've never been asked (and in my younger days, I got pulled over a lot). So I have no direct experience, and I don't generally give advice unless it's something I am SURE about. I think the main thing is to not even "get" on LE's RADAR. The best way to do that is to NOT have gun stickers on your vehicle, in this state. It's also good to look like a "normal" citizen (whatever THOSE are). Of course, I'm one to talk!!! I have tattoos, a shaved head, and drive a 48 year old car with LOUD Flowmasters. Quote:
|
#159
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill |
#160
|
|||
|
|||
Yes - although I am fairly certain that you are not required to answer any questions. . .
I could be wrong, however. . . Quote:
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|