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Old 10-27-2015, 10:28 AM
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I received this rifle from my mom when my dad passed. All I know about it is that he got it from someone when he served in the Korean War. My dad never went abroad. He served at Fort Ord as a Sergeant.

I took some pictures of the gun. Can anyone lead me to a make and model of the gun? It has a bayonet also.











Hopefully I posted this in the right area. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:35 AM
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Last ditch Type 99 Arisaka.
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Have you tried identifying the bayonet instead of the rifle? I would flip through a book or website that lists various bayonet models and their origins. That might help to narrow it down.
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"Last Ditch" late war Japanese Arisaka Type 99. Need a clearer picture of the receiver serial number with symbols to identify make/series. Looks like Tokyo Kogyo from here. Does it have an intact "mum" on top of the receiver? The Japanese Emperor's Chrysanthemum flower looking mark. Most were ground or defaced.

http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html

Hikari Seiki bayonet, commonly referred to as the "Tokyo Hourglass bayonet" due to it's hourglass like marking. Appears to be a Type 30 bayonet.
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Thank you for your replies. Now I have some info to go off of.

The gun is real rusty. Is there something I can use to clean it up and not do anymore damage to the gun?
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Here is a better pic of the serial number and the three characters after. Looks like it is a Toyo Kogyo 1939-1945. I'm not sure what the last symbol is. It's hard to see, pretty corroded.

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Yep, Tokyo Kogyo or Toyo Kogyo...not sure if it's a typo on the site. The symbol preceeding the serial will identify the series.

I'm no Arisaka expert, just know enough to identify them etc. Apparently Toyo Kogyo is the original maker of Mazda cars

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda#History
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"Last Ditch" late war Japanese Arisaka Type 99. Need a clearer picture of the receiver serial number with symbols to identify make/series. Looks like Tokyo Kogyo from here. Does it have an intact "mum" on top of the receiver? The Japanese Emperor's Chrysanthemum flower looking mark. Most were ground or defaced.

http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html

Hikari Seiki bayonet, commonly referred to as the "Tokyo Hourglass bayonet" due to it's hourglass like marking. Appears to be a Type 30 bayonet.

There are no markings on the top of the receiver. It is real rusty though.
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It has a marking in front of the serial number which according to the table you furnished, makes it a series 35.
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It has a marking in front of the serial number which according to the table you furnished, makes it a series 35.
Series 35 was my guess based on the late war attributes of this rifle. Fixed rear sight, I assume a wooden buttplate too with nails. Toyo Kogyo was assigned series 30-35 during their production, this rifle being in the final block produced.

I don't know where to start in terms of safe rust removal, I'll let the other experts chime in. You might want to start another thread in the primary C&R forum as it gets a lot more traffic than the gallery. Some guys are magicians with rust repair and preservation, I'm sure you'd get tips under a dedicated thread.

After the Japanese surrender the mums on the top of the receiver were defaced or ground away. If it was still intact, it would look something like this:

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I saw some pics online with the mum and symbols. However my rifle is very corroded and even with a lighted magnifying glass I can't make out anything.
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Rust removal using electrolysis is safe. Only the rust is dissolved. You could use a section of 4" PVC and end caps. Tried to add a link but couldn't . Go to U-Tube and search " rust removal, electrolysis ".
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Never tried it on a firearm, but I have on rusted bolts, springs and boat parts. Ultra-Sonic cleaner. It's amazing, the rust just rolls off. There's also a product called Metal Rescue that has been pushed by the boys on American Picker. The results are impressive.

http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx
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Never tried it on a firearm, but I have on rusted bolts, springs and boat parts. Ultra-Sonic cleaner. It's amazing, the rust just rolls off. There's also a product called Metal Rescue that has been pushed by the boys on American Picker. The results are impressive.

http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx
just be aware that like most soaks... the finish is gone, it lifts with the rust. Some cases it has to be done, the rust is getting too intense but if you can avoid it and use wool/oil do it.
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just be aware that like most soaks... the finish is gone, it lifts with the rust. Some cases it has to be done, the rust is getting too intense but if you can avoid it and use wool/oil do it.
If you read the description on Metal Rescue you'd find that it will remove rust only, but since bluing is a controlled rust, yes it will remove the bluing. However from the pics I'd say there isn't much bluing left anyway. No harm..no foul.... :-)
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I use CLP and 0000 steel wool. If there is a little rust normally you can lightly go over it so as not to effect the bluing around the rust. Looks like in your case you can be more forceful. It's tedious but it does the job. If the bore is toast there are NOS Arisaka barrels out there if you look long enough. Good luck.
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