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Here's the deal OP, Yes .. you are absolutely correct about sticker shock when looking at new ammo in the store. Most guys who shoot even .223 and 9mm
either reload, or buy surplus in bulk from places on the net, or buy it from vendors at guns shows etc. Think of buying a case of wolf ammo or yugo or milsurp combloc etc. It is possible to shoot even today larger bore rifles without breaking the bank. You bought a rifle (M1-A) that is a bit pricy to feed now, by historical standards, with the ammo rush on and all that. Look on the bright side though... you cant take it with you, so spend it on some ammo and enjoy yourself. |
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If I had the money this is what I would buy, congrats
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My caliber footprint. I've owned weapons in the following cartridges:
25 ACP 256 Win Mag 380 ACP 9mm 38Spl 357 Mag 357 Max 10mm 41 Mag 45 ACP 45 Colt 44 Mag 50 AE 223 22-250 250 Savage 7mm-08 308 Win 300 Win 8mm Mauser 8mm Mag 338-06 376 Steyr 375 H&H 45/70 Currently own 223, 9mm, 10mm, and 20ga. Have no real desire to have anything else. Might play with .300 Whisper and 50 BMG for a bit. |
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I like all calibers especially rare ones I will always will love my 8x56r M95. for modern just like to mix it up with different guns and calibers. .223 and 9M like some other posters said would get boring really fast. I actually dislike 9mm because is says Europe too much to me and .223/5.56 says AR/tacticool mallninja(I like them, but not crazy for them, just K.I.S.S). give me .308 and a boltgun and I will be happy at long range. and for the cheap/plinking I break out this:
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to the OP: maybe the problem is you are buying from the wrong source. I remember buying 30-06 surplus ammo for like .30 or .40 cents a round. Heck i got 440 rounds of 7.62x54r 2 years ago for like 70 dollars.
http://ammoman.com/ try this site
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I like how you then call other people trolls...
Funny how the professional operators out there use these 2 calibers for many applications eh? |
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Back in the 1970's- 1980's the average price for surplus 7.62 NATO M80 type ball in quantity was less than $140.00 a thousand. I went in with two friends of mine in the mid-80's and bought Israeli surplus black-tip 7.62 NATO for $99.00 a thousand FOB. When the first 7.62 x 39 Chinese stuff was available in quantity in the early 80's it was $100.00 a thousand, you could get 1400 round cases out of SGN for 120.00ish if you bought ten or more cases. We used to get 30-06 black tip in M1 Garand clips for 165.00 a thousand.
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I think the OP should look into a pellet gun. You could shoot all day for a few bucks. When you start shooting some of the bigger bore handguns and rifles you will get what all of the hype is about with owning one. It will be well worth it if you really are into shooting plus they are not the daily shooters in ones arsenal.
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Bill, I like you. Please stop dating yourself for crying out loud!!!!
Hell it wasn't that long ago (late 90's) I bought 8 cases(1320rd) of surplus russian military ammo for 1K. Hell even Walmart had Rem green box jhp 9mm for 13.44 per 100. Quote:
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Didn't read all the posts, but from the title...
.223 and 9mm are not the answer to all situations. They do have limitations. Reasons to buy larger caliber guns is obvious to most people who understand these limitations. With that said, I'd hate to be limited to a .223 and 9mm if I was wandering the AK wilderness.
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Am I serious about what?
Most people in the military learn to shoot after they enter the military. That makes them newbies right? Also, if you can't hit a 12" gong at 400 yards with iron sites on a standard AR, you need a lot more practice and a better coach. so, yea, I guess I'm serious. Do you need a coach? |
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OT, but one guy mentioned the price of concerts and other things.
i used to go to big time bands shows only a few years back as a kid, and be able to get pit tickets or rad seats for less than 50 a ticket. now its 200 bucks a pit ticket since ticket master is a scam and wont sell the good seats. so everything is a rip off nowadays, not just ammo. oh and cyrus the OP, your a cheap skate. you have a good job and bought high dollar guns. sack up and buy ammo for them. and quit your *****en. Last edited by hnoppenberger; 10-17-2009 at 3:39 PM.. |
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So would it make you guys mad if I told you I bought 5000 rounds of .223 (some wolf but mostly brass) last december for $120/1000 and brass cased .45acp for $100/1000? I have the best friends in the world, that is all I can say. If I could get more of it, I would have and sold the rest to you guys at a good price. I am actually working on getting Chinese ammunition back into the states with a board of lawyers. Everyone says it can't be done but somebody has to try. The people we have been talking to in China claim they produce a lot of ammunition for Remington. I have no idea and really don't care as long as I can get a batch to test fire and function myself before selling. It is a long road ahead but if it could be done, it could be just like the good ol days. I remember not even thinking about ammo prices while shooting.
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The OP started his thread talking about how anyone can afford to shoot anything other than .223 or 9mm. OK. His social, economic and family situation may dictate his expendeable expenses and the feasibility of reloading ammo. Then the posts started getting ugly, to your condesending post about shooting gongs at 400 yards with iron sights!!! Really, good for you, who cares??!!! Are you contributing to the OP's message spirit? It may not have been very eloquent nor expressed his original intent accurately. But throughout the 6 pages of this thread, he has not said one thing that's provoking or demeaning. Instead, I read a lot of other people on their soap box calling him out, and bragging about their shooting/reloading prowness. I, for one, don't really care if you shoot the fly's wings off at 10000 yards, but I do care that we treat one another with respect and dignity. |
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Dude, First off, I only have a page and a half on this topic. I find it easier to read these threads if I set them to 40 posts per page. You might want to do the same. It sure makes it easier. Next, I believe I've contributed to this thread in several ways. I've explained the costs of shooting bigger guns. I've touched on the benefits of reloading to cut ammo costs down (You will also get better ammo if you reload). I've agreed with epic4444 when he sarcasticly stated that the military was full of noobs. 'Cause, it really is. Most people entering the military have little or no experience with firearms. I've disagreed with those who have stated that you need something bigger than .223 for shooting out to 400 yards. You don't. You just need to know how to shoot. I was even the first one to suggest that the OP looks at buying a .22lr, or two, if ammo prices are his main concern. So dude, except for telling me to chill out (BTW, I'm a pretty mellow guy. I know it can be hard to read tone into posts on the internet though), how have you contributed to this thread? |
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LOL thats one of the funniest likes in a long time. Last edited by Rob454; 10-18-2009 at 9:29 AM.. |
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There was a lot of rush buying during the Obama scare. People that thought they might have to have a gun. Now finding out they have to feed it. There is a big difference between necessity buyers and true hobbyists as far as the gun lifstyle is concerned. Most of us started when we were young and are accustom to prices and calibers that suite us. You have to admit the M1a is a hell of a gun to start with. vinz
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Ammoman has .308 wolf 150g for $239 for 500rds.
That is $0.48 a round shipped to your front door. Yeah there are better deals on .223 than .308 in general but to say you can't shoot a larger caliber for a similar cost is not correct. Take CSACANNONEERs advice and buy calibers based on your needs. If you are simply looking for cheap shooting. Check out a Airsoft pistol at wallyworld. You can shoot pistol in your garage all night until you drop.
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Just wanted to add my 2¢ to the reloading pile...
I own a single stage press and some dies. I can reload 30-06 and .308 for around 24¢ per shot. Buy a box of 1k FMJ .308 caliber bullets for $180, your powder, primers, and brass (which last for 5 reloads or more of you shoot mild) and you're good.
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+1 that. I don't understand why someone would buy most or all of their ammo from a gun store.
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Ive shot dozens of calibers but my favorite is still the .22lr.
Of course I still use the others for hunting, paper punching, etc but the .22lr is just the most fun to me. There are definitely needs for the larger calibers depending on the objective, be it hunting, long range paper punching, etc. Note I did not read any of the above posts and I am certain what I said has already been posted. Im just confirming. Last edited by mds2004; 10-18-2009 at 1:57 PM.. |
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If you have no purpose, then the cheapest .22lr is all you need. I paid $.03/rd of .22lr. I can't believe why others paid $.07 or more on .22lr. |
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I would and do own a 9mm, and I plan on owning something in or around the .223 class. However, I would by no means limit myself to only those two rounds.
My main rounds for carrying in a handgun or rifle if I was in the wild would be either a 10mm (autoloader) or .44Mag (revolver) and then a .308 for a rifle (semi-auto) or a .300WSM/WM (bolt). If I was to choose only two guns it would be a Glock 20 and a M14. The nice thing is I don't have to choose, so that means I can own and shoot cheaper stuff like 9mm and .22lr..
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I remember buying the little cardboard boxes of .22 [what, 50 rounds?] for between $0.24 & $0.37 all the time, even 5 for $1.00, depending on quality & type, so that probably indicates bulk prices also, way back when.
I somewhat agree with your philosophical point and for me .22, 9mm and 20 ga fills a lot of needs, and I can defend myself & eat for life off of those anywhere in the world. What's killing me is the price of everything on the planet is beyond sanity & it's usually junk in general. Of course that's including all the foreign stuff that was supposed to be such a potential money saver bargain for America, un-huh, right. 'They' never passed on the savings. Last edited by Spirit 1; 10-18-2009 at 5:21 PM.. |
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I own 25 ACP 30-30 win 22lr 270 win 223 rem 762x54r 762x39 17hmr
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