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From everything that I have read about OLL, I have gathered that it IS legal as long as :
1) the lower is not on the "list", i.e. legal to own in CA. 2) barrel length at least 16". 3) CAN have the pistol grip (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags). 4) CAN have a collapsible stock (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags). 5) Semi Auto only. 6) Flash Hider OK (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags) Is there anything that I am missing? Thanks |
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Probably a stupid question, but since a fixed magazine (10 rounds) makes a OLL with evil features legal, does this mean when I travel with the OLL in the trunk it has to have an empty mag attached?
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I have a 10 round (not a 10/20 or 10/30) mag that travels in my rifle on the way to and from the range. I specifically don't have a 10/20 or 10/30 in there because it can complicate matters if I cop knows his stuff and wants to point out that a 20 round mag is illegal in a bullet button equipped rifle. The only real way to show that it is a 10 round blocked mag is to load it. You can push the follower down with a pen or something to illustrate there is a block in there, but then could it possibly hold 11??? I just put the 10 rounder that came with my M&P 15 to make things simpler but it's not required. |
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Thanks m03 for adding that! That's an important one...
7) Over-all length of at least 30". ETA: Over-all length measured with stock fully collapsed (if collapsible stock). Last edited by Kalderis40; 01-23-2012 at 6:08 PM.. Reason: Clarification |
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Better yet refer to the flow chart:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf Edit: Got the barrel length confused a bit haha. But the barrel needs to be 16" from bolt face to end of barrel or perminatly attached muzzle device. And OAL needs to be 30".
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Incorrect. No specification for permanently attached muzzle device in the OAL calculation.
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Ah yes your right about the OAL. but the barrel has to be 16" from bolt face to end of barrel or perminatly attached muzzle device. 1st bubble on the flow chart.
Edited above post so no one gets confused.
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Guy's you saved my day. I was reading all weekend CA gun laws to verify my purchase of a new Colt M4 CA Model and at the end I was more confused than before. Everything cleared up once I've read you flowchart and additional external infos under http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/in...main_page=ar15
By the way, the dealer mentioned I've to show utility bills to proof of residency. But I've read the FAQ on the doj website, stating it's necessary for buying a handgun and not for a rifle. Is the dealer just wrong ? I'm asking, because I'm living nearly 3 month here (few days to go) moved recently from good old Germany and joining firearm sports business. I also want to take a security training in SOCAL area, can one of you guys recommend me a facility/business near Torrance ? Alright, take care and keep up your good work. |
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read this for more info, http://www.atf.gov/publications/news...er-2008-11.pdf Quote:
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AR-15 Question
Can anybody anwser this question for me I just moved to California from WA. My AR-15 is California compliant: bullet buton, an OLL receiver, and 10 round mag. Is this considered a rifle or assult weapon??? If so where do I register it at?
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BUT - what you described appears to be legal, assuming everything you say is correct and accurate. |
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Guys, I just spent the last two hours reading this entire thread and I am compelled to share this with you.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO TALK TO LEO AT ALL !!! It doesn't matter if you are going shooting or going to dinner. It has been brushed on in this thread but was not clearly spelled out. So here it is. When you are stopped you are under no obligation to speak. However as depicted in this thread if you decline to speak you are basically making your self look guilty or hiding something. Sadly it's just that we believe in civil rights. With that said the best choice is when the officer comes to your window you should have you license, registration and proof of insurance ready. Roll down your window enough to pas them to the officer " usually about 1/2 of a inch. Allow the officer to do his job, site you if there is a traffic infraction. Crack your window again to sign the ticket and go on your way.... If you do this all will be happy and satisfied. You will not need to decline to answer anything and you will not need to sit there debating if you should lie to get on your way or to tell the truth knowing you will be stuck for a hour giving a education to LEO at a minim. Hope this helps. Timmy
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Hmm that's probably the best behavior only to answer the questions you got from the LEO. But few days ago I saw one season of, Alaska highway patrol, can't remember the exact name and there was a guy pulled out of his car because he had a weapon under the seat and didn't told the officer. I'm not talking about the gun under the seat, that's probably a misdemeanor against the law, I'm more concerned about that what the officer told him. The guy had the obligation to tell immediately that he has a gun in his car. Is that true or only a Alaska law, or a idea the LEO's came up with?
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I purchased a Colt LE6920CMP-B. The Colt site lists it as CA-compliantColt California Compliant Rifles, and I bought it at a CA LGS. If an LEO were to question the legality of my rifle, how should I respond? The flowchart lists the "Colt: Law Enforcement (6920)" as illegal. Every person I have asked has told me my rifle is legal in California, only I am not exactly sure how. I assume I would identify it as a "M4 Carbine" as that's what the rollmark says, but assumptions can put me in jail.
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Go to the source of the banned list. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf I'd print out a copy and keep it in your case. If you end up in a discussion about what is legal, respectfully hand them a copy of the banned list. Tell them they can keep the copy for their troubles. Kindness and respect prevails in these encounters. |
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If you are truly paranoid, you could print out a copy of the ad from Colt showcasing their new CA compliant rifles that displays your roll mark (assuming that exists). |
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Guessing this would not be legal in CA?
Juggernaut Bullpup Conversion Chassis for M14/M1 http://jtactical.com/product.php?id=9
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Colt could have a misprint and everyone could have bought a illegal rifle. End of the day... You still get busted and you still loose your rights. If its on the ban list. strip it down so it is a non working firearm. Yes you can still get busted for a banned lower. But its not a complete and usable working firearm then adding to a misprint and you might not get to deep into trouble. But go ask in the 2a forum. This thread is to grenral for your needs.
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Spent the last 2 days reading this thread since ive been contemplating getting an AR style rifle...but some of the traffic stop horror stories and all the paperwork and possible court or detainment time and bills makes me wonder if its really worth having....
Or maybe it makes me want to get 1 or 3 just to stick it to the man. a mini-14 might be a safer bet |
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2) avoid interactions with LE 3) do not talk to LE, do not consent to search. 4) understand that we ARE winning, but that there is still much work to be done. Please review this article, written by my friend: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/new...bear-arms.html There are hundreds of thousands of Californians who own 100 percent legal OLLs, and have never once had a problem of any kind. From time to time, untrained law enforcement officers make the mistake of arresting one of them. In every case that I am aware of, charges were later dropped. In fact, we are now fighting back, and there are court cases where our coalition is asking for damages for these false arrests. Our coalition has a track record of WINNING LAWSUITS AGAINST people who do not support our civil rights. The issue is whether you want to be a part of this mass movement to stand up for our human rights, and legal rights. In fact, our coalition is attacking the very law that has put so many law abiding gun owners in jail, over things as stupid as $2 pistol grips, and extra letters on roll marks. See: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/new...apons-law.html I realize that there is risk inherent in owning a LEGAL GUN, in this state, but it is only by fighting for our civil rights that we REMOVE THIS RISK. We must never stop, we must never move away, and we must never give up. In the last six years, I have seen a miracle happen. We have about 500,000 new EBR's in the state, we have LTC's issued on a shall issue basis in certain large counties, we are now the number 2 state for new gun sales, and we have shooting ranges and gun shops opening left and right. Even our media is finally coming around to the fact that our right of self defense underlies all other rights. The way that we continue to win is by overwhelming force of numbers. Each new gun owner becomes essentially an evangelist, and the good news is spreading fast. I urge you to join us. |
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Oh Im joining you!
Waiting for either the CZ sp tactical or walther ppq to get instock so I can SSE them in. And then a rock river arms elite operator might be nice but I have a wedding and a baby on the way so the first thing necessary to help you guys win this war is to get my fiancee as addicted to shooting as I am Looking forward to running into fellow calgunners at the local central coast ranges. |
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There really IS an amazing and motivated group of folks working here in CA on the gun issue, and like many of us say, we ARE winning! Sometimes, it's a tough fight - but we are one of the last true rights movements. In fact, people are now finally remembering the our basic and essential self-defense rights protect ALL of our rights. |
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things to consider on the way to the range
I've heard many people advocate placing an empty mag in your rifle while transporting it.
The justification for doing so is that for the LEO who may search you, this will clearly prove to them that a tool is necessary to remove it. I won't take a position on this other than to say if you do so, it SHALL be a 10 round mag. As in, a 10 round mag. Not a 10/20, 10/30, etc. This should be obvious, but any sort of blocked mag will appear to be a hi-cap, further interesting/infuriating the searching officer. I understand that it is not unlawful to possess an UNLOADED rifle in your vehicle (given appropriate security of ammunition.) This does not mean that it is advisable. I can only say that a good locking case (my preference is the pelican rifle case) is not that expensive when compared to a successful criminal defense case. Likewise, a good locking case with ammo / magazines, when combined with the rifle case (i.e., TWO LOCKED CASES IN YOUR CAR, ONE WITH AMMO, ONE WITH FIREARM), is also less expensive than fighting a criminal case successfully. This procedure has the tangential benefit of reducing the chance of someone falsely claiming you consented to a search. Be legal. Be safe. Be responsible. Anything less than those three rules makes you a criminal, and not worthy of the great rights and responsibilities that come with american citizenship. ACLU hero PS: sacrificing your rights for a sense of greater security also makes you unworthy of your citizenship, IMHO. |
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Shoot me an email at kevin@oaklander.org some time. I am thinking we should condense this thread and offer a PDF as a resource to our law abiding community here. This can be distributed to the various orgs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I may have missed it; if so, I apologize.
Copied from the flowchart: 12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding PC section 12276, assault weapon shall also mean the following: Rifles (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine CCR 11 § 5469 (a) and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip CCR 11 § 5469 (d) (B) A thumbhole stock. CCR 11 § 5469 (e) (C) A folding or telescoping stock. (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher. (E) A flash suppressor. CCR 11 § 5469 (b) (F) A forward pistol grip. CCR 11 § 5469 (c) (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches. Based on that, why can't I buy an unmutilated Yugo SKS? Yes, it has a grenade launcher sight, but in its original configuration the magazine is fixed--it can only be reloaded singly or by stripper clip!
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Not named, just by features. If you remove the grenade launcher, it's legal.
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Not named, just by features. If you remove the grenade launcher, it's legal.
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Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again. - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO (Revised Eastern Sect Edition) |
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So here I am, a life-long CA resident that bought a Poly Teck AKS-762 (16" barrel & non-colapseable whood stock) back in the late 80s and registered it in the Roberti-Roos sweep. Shortly thereafter, I lost interest in guns until recently. My interest is perking up again and I'm dusting off my old buddy - been to Burro's twice with it and no one has even looked at my AKS sideways. Now I learn, that there was some second piece of legislation, SB-23 in 2000 (because some politidiots needed a feather in their cap for re-election) that I missed. Am I screwed or ok?
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