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I agree. I could care less about the 10 day wait, if it makes the anti's feel like they've won a small battle and gives us latitude on other fronts then I say let them keep it. Same could be said for the one per 30 day rule...IMO it's not a big deal compared to the others. |
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Well, I guess I will just say "Yaeh...."
Not P or I but we won. ETA: At least my feelings about how Sotomayer would rule were spot on and I don't have to question her position in the future.
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This is a perfect time for Jerry Brown to show he in fact is pro-2A. As AG he could easily order a stipulation in the Peña case that would result in cleaning up or even eliminating the roster. On that note Brown could release a new AG opinion on good cause. Doing so would over ride the current (1970's) AG opinion & go a long way toward resolving Sykes. AB962 is low hanging fruit outside the 2A area (Interstate Commerce Clause). I suspect we will hear more on that soon. |
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McDonald simply doesn't interest a majority of people. Only people who care about it are those who have taken a strong opinion on one side of the issue or the other. This is a majority of people nation-wide. As for Kagen - doesn't much matter. She's replacing an already anti-2nd justice. At worst she'll maintain the 5-4 split. |
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Originally Posted by guayuque
"Right people" Who are they? Reactionaries with no training in the practice of law? here http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/board The "right people"
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Nicely Stated!! WooHoo!!
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Glad SCOTUS got it right. Much more to go... keep donating to those causes that fight for our rights. |
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A further benefit of this decision that is not in the discussion, and one that may be just as valuable, is the check that this now puts on future laws not only laws that may be overturned--any future California laws will now be made in this context.
And yes I know the legislature (with the Gov) can pass whatever it wants making it the law before a court strikes it down. They can violate the constitution of the state and the Fed all day long with the bills they pass. They can ban all guns effective 2:00pm today if they want. Though it probably wouldn't last till 3:00pm. The US legislature has in the past passed the exact same law that was overturned by the SC just to thumb their nose at them (even though it may not be enforceable). |
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(paraphrased) The gist of the commentary wasn't that this was a "bad thing" but that it was merely a step. Q: Do any laws infringing upon gun ownership (magazine restrictions, licensing requirements, etc) outside the home change? A: Nope, not yet said a lawyer. --- After reading all of these McD threads, I seem to hear that the next steps should be taken in 60-90 days at the earliest. Since some lawsuits were already pending though, I'm hoping that we should start seeing changes in <2 years (the approx time between the Heller decision and now). I'm willing to be patient.... and so should the rest of you. -g
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Might I suggest a different, more optimistic interpretation: "The Supreme Court making a finding in favor of gun rights really isn't news, anymore."
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Oh wait.....
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"Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.' and that `Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.' - John Adams http://www.usdebtclock.org/ |
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Frank One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375 Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF Last edited by Fjold; 06-28-2010 at 12:48 PM.. |
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Yes - she has been going around the media circles all day about this. She was on the radio earlier being interviewed and is saying the same thing about US v. Miller, like a broken record.
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To address the NUMEROUS comments below about the 5-4 split...
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This is a very simplified version of what's going on, but... imagine if you will an auctioneer in the chambers. "Ok, we want the 50% gun rights win here. Aha, see, we've got 7-2. Cool." "Hmm, let's move that slider up to 70%. How many? Oh, 6-3, still got more to go." "Hmm, let's move it up to 80%. Hmm, got 5-4, that's still a majority." "Oh, looks like we lose if we try 85%, it'd be 4-5 the other way. Ok, 85% won't work." I'm sure this works like a simplified version of the Senate - add or delete content from the decision and you gain or lose votes for one side or another. In the absence of an absolutely rock-solid ruling saying "balls to the wall, EVERYTHING goes", we WANT a 5-4 split. We probably could've gotten a 6-3 or 7-2 ratio backing a more watered down version of this. Instead, we got the strongest finding that would still secure a majority.
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LOL... Thanks... I better dust off my Luchador mask....
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This means ARs and standard capacity (30 round) mags, since these would allow a citizen militia member to integrate into a National Guard unit with the least number of supply issues. It also means that "militia" weapons need "evil features" like bayonet lugs and flash suppressors. I won't argue that they need to be selective fire assault rifles, but they should have as many common parts and features as possible with the military's individual weapons - including ammunition, magazines, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, and the ability to rapidly change magazines. |
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Is there a longer list of previous court cases decided prominantly on the lack of a 2A like clause in the CA constitution? Those should be brought up to JB as well, challenging their basis of decision and requesting review and consideration of invalidation of the specific statutes they were decided on. |
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Really not pertinent or well-founded advice.
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It is a shame that so many of us were so poorly informed in school. I too knew nothing of this until McDonald made it important to my daily life.
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Today, we became even more unique. I believe we are unique in the G20 (ironically meeting right now) in being allowed the possession of firearms as a basic right.
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no. the fate of the court hinged on the decision. our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.
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But I still find it amazing that this is true. So, the founding fathers wished to protect us from the evils of an oppressive federal government, but they were OK with subordinate governments co-opting civil liberties? I'm not saying I dispute this, but it sure sounds hard to believe.
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I'm not familiar with Bloomberg having any idea of his own in terms of fighting crime, or even gun control. He basically carrying Giuliani's torch on those issues...
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