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Old 12-09-2019, 4:04 PM
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Default Foothill Pigs - .223?

Just checking with some folks before I go look for some pigs in the foothills east of Fresno. I've never heard of the hogs getting very big -- 50-75 lb on the hoof. Seems like .223 with 55 gr TTSX should be adequate to put down a smaller hog. But I'm curious if others have hunted much around here & what they've seen. I've never seen the pigs out here -- just occasional sign. If they run 150 lb or so, I'll be more inclined to take the heavier .308. Any suggestions or tips are welcome.

Mostly, this is just a scouting trip as I've never hunted the area before. But I figure it's worth taking a rifle in case I actually see something.
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Old 12-09-2019, 4:08 PM
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Really, pigs in the foothills east of Fresno??? Wow, first I've heard of that. But that would be pretty cool if there are any worth hunting. Who woulda thought
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Old 12-09-2019, 4:10 PM
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If you take the .223 you will see a 250lb boar. If you take the .308 you will see a little one. At least that’s how it always works for me. I hunt hogs with a .270 kills them all just fine and doesn’t blow up the smaller ones. Bullet construction matters a lot also but somebody else can chime in on that since I just shoot of the shelf ammo.
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You'll probably be fine with the .223 but I like margin (and it literally is the reason why my dad brought down a bull elk last week) so I would take the 308.
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Old 12-09-2019, 6:53 PM
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More gun gives you more margin for error. Of course you can take big game with a .223 if your shot placement is absolutely perfect but why take the chance. Likewise you can lose a critter with a poorly placed shot out of a .375 but it’s less likely.

Take the .308.
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Old 12-09-2019, 7:11 PM
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Really, pigs in the foothills east of Fresno??? Wow, first I've heard of that. But that would be pretty cool if there are any worth hunting. Who woulda thought
I probably shouldn't say anything but there have been pigs shot east of Fresno for 30 or so years and probably longer. I didn't pay any attention to wild pigs for a long time. Unless you know the "where's and how's"...........good luck. And they get a hell of a lot bigger than 75 pounds.
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Just bring a fully semi automatic ar47 and shoot them a bunch of times. They’re high powered weapons and if they’re good enough for our boys overseas they’ll surely work well on pigs.
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Old 12-09-2019, 7:28 PM
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Just bring a fully semi automatic ar47 and shoot them a bunch of times. They’re high powered weapons and if they’re good enough for our boys overseas they’ll surely work well on pigs.
We've shot pigs with the .223, 7.62X39 and others, they all worked.
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We've shot pigs with the .223, 7.62X39 and others, they all worked.
I have too. Just messing around because this topic is so subjective and opinionated.
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1) If pigs are there then they are like they are everywhere else: The babies are small and the adults are big. They aren't some special pigmy breed or something.
2) You're carrying a gun to kill a pig if you see one. Which cartridge is better at killing a pig? .308. That's the right choice absent other considerations.

If you can't tolerate an extra couple of pounds... or maybe you've got 5 tags in your pocket and you're a pro 3-gun shooter... maybe you just feel like using your AR. Knock yourself out.

Last bit of advice: if you actually find pigs out there I'd shut up about it!
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Old 12-09-2019, 9:34 PM
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On public land I go up in caliber since your chances are slim and you sometimes need to rush a shot.
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Mess around if you want but I would take the 308. I always try to show respect toward the animal I want to kill.
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There are pigs with in 50 miles of Fresno in the hills, I have seen them. I have never had a rifle at that time.

That being said......I wouldn't choose a 223 as my primary rifle against a hog.
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Old 12-10-2019, 5:47 AM
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The glorified 22.
Yes, the 223 is the perfect caliber to hunt the big game Pygmy Jerboa.
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Old 12-10-2019, 6:13 AM
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More gun not less gun. I kill hogs in Texas with 223 but my choice gun there is 6.8 spc if in the brush. Over open fields then .308 ar 10
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Old 12-10-2019, 6:18 AM
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I have too. Just messing around because this topic is so subjective and opinionated.
Ya I like a little light harted side to things, many here don't seem to have it. I'm kinda like you on the subjective opinionated stuff it brings a bag full of smart@$$ and oh holier than thou with it. Waiting anxiously. Cousin sent me a pic of a 2-3 hundred pound boar a while back, not far from HY 180 and out on the flats of the Valley, they are out along the river bottom to. The last two I shot one was a boar with a 7.62X39 and the one before that was a sow with a .308, long shots 25-35 yards. Lights out at the shot on both. Get a cup a coffee and watch.
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Old 12-10-2019, 6:22 AM
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More gun not less gun. I kill hogs in Texas with 223 but my choice gun there is 6.8 spc if in the brush. Over open fields then .308 ar 10
I've really been pondering one of those 6.8's, still trying to talk myself into another new cartridge. I imagine they would work for lots of things just fine as long as you get into it's range and use a good bullet.
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I have been shooting and handloading 6.8 for 10 years. I have an ar pistol in that caliber. It is my Alaska river gun. Lots of fun to shoot.
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I've really been pondering one of those 6.8's, still trying to talk myself into another new cartridge. I imagine they would work for lots of things just fine as long as you get into it's range and use a good bullet.
I’m getting one sighted in this week. I shoot an AR so much it makes sense. Plus if you hate it you can just get a new barrel and bolt and switch it to another caliber. I’ll be running the 100 grain gmx bullets because that’s what I can source locally.
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I hunt virtually everything bigger than a groundhog with a .308, I don't really see the attraction to hunting with a .223 at all.
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Ya I like a little light harted side to things, many here don't seem to have it. I'm kinda like you on the subjective opinionated stuff it brings a bag full of smart@$$ and oh holier than thou with it. Waiting anxiously. Cousin sent me a pic of a 2-3 hundred pound boar a while back, not far from HY 180 and out on the flats of the Valley, they are out along the river bottom to. The last two I shot one was a boar with a 7.62X39 and the one before that was a sow with a .308, long shots 25-35 yards. Lights out at the shot on both. Get a cup a coffee and watch.
Hey, That hurts kinda........... NOT. LOL
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Always glad to see something on the light side.
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I hunt virtually everything bigger than a groundhog with a .308, I don't really see the attraction to hunting with a .223 at all.
To all, yes, highly subjective question & open to opinions. I asked for it...

For me the attraction is:

My .223 Savage weighs 6.5 lb fully loaded while my .308 Mossberg weighs 10.5 lb fully loaded. For what is mostly a scouting trip, weight matters.

My .223 is set up as a varmint rifle. The .308 is set up for big game. A 150 lb hog would be fine on the .308 but when the animal is scarcely bigger than a coyote, I trust the .223 more to make a precise shot on a smaller target.

I suppose if the platform was the same, I would take the .308. If I knew there were sizeable hogs in the area, I'd take the .308. But it's an apples/oranges kind of situation. I've heard a number of folks take .223s out for small hogs so long as the bullet construction is good. Just curious if anybody does it in this neck of the woods... er, foothills.
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I personally wouldn't hunt big game with a 223. I have friends who have taken deer with 223 with good shot placement. But I prefer something a little heavier.

My favorite carry for hog or deer is my old Savage 99. It's 300-Savage, which is the parent of 308. Works nice.
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My .223 Savage weighs 6.5 lb fully loaded while my .308 Mossberg weighs 10.5 lb fully loaded. For what is mostly a scouting trip, weight matters.
I get it a little more now... When I first read this:

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...If they run 150 lb or so, I'll be more inclined to take the heavier .308.
By "heavier" I wrongfully assumed you just meant a "heavier" hitting round. Given your two choices I understand it a lot more.

My main hunting squeeze is a Remington VTR in .308 and it weighs in right around 8.5 lbs loaded. I never notice the weight much either way, it's just the gun I am comfortable with and shoot competently. But yeah 10.5 is getting up there.
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Of course you can kill a pig with .223. If you feel more confident with one rifle than the other , take the one you shoot best. I have personally seen pigs taken with .223 (mini 14) but those where on private land years ago and all close 50-75 yards shots. I have seen a larger sow taken with a 52gr smk out of a 22-250 by seasoned hunters.

As usual it is up to you to humanely harvest an animal...
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I hunt virtually everything bigger than a groundhog with a .308, I don't really see the attraction to hunting with a .223 at all.
I did not know there were groundhogs in southern Calif.
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I hunt/scout all the time with my 5.56 AR with an 18” barrel and 70 grain tsx bullets. I feel very confident on making head/neck shots off shooting sticks. I take my heavier gun if I think I might actually see something but like you prefer my lightweight AR for random hiking. I don’t harvest game more than 10% of the time so I take the light gun that’s cheap to shoot at yotes.

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I did not know there were groundhogs in southern Calif.
I get out of SoCal once in a while.
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Is that a Wildcat? I shoot a couple Savage 99's in 300 Savage, and have been considering a Mdl-99 in 250-3000 Savage.

Have not heard of 223 Savage. Is it based on the old 250-3000? I know the classic 22-250 is based on a 250-3000 necked to 224.

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Is that a Wildcat? I shoot a couple Savage 99's in 300 Savage, and have been considering a Mdl-99 in 250-3000 Savage.

Have not heard of 223 Savage. Is it based on the old 250-3000? I know the classic 2-250 is based on a 250-3000 necked to 224.
Ha! That's a Savage bolt gun in .223 Rem.
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I hunt/scout all the time with my 5.56 AR with an 18” barrel and 70 grain tsx bullets. I feel very confident on making head/neck shots off shooting sticks. I take my heavier gun if I think I might actually see something but like you prefer my lightweight AR for random hiking. I don’t harvest game more than 10% of the time so I take the light gun that’s cheap to shoot at yotes.
What kind of twist rate do you need to shoot a 70 gr TSX? That's got to be a long bullet.
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What kind of twist rate do you need to shoot a 70 gr TSX? That's got to be a long bullet.
My 1:8 stabilizes it fine. Might be a fluke but the gun is a tack driver. I played around with the 55 grain tsx and the 62 grain tsx. All shot well so I went with the 70. I’ll post up some results when I actually kill a pig with it.

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Savage in 223 is my main go-to rifle for pigs and deer.
I feel much more confident in it than in any other rifle because with it i put my bullet right in pig's ear up to 200 yards. Any longer shots i never take, and i ALWAYS find some stable rest, a rock, a log, a tree fork, not any shooting sticks and such. Something very stable, so, I can drill their ear with my bullet 100%.

What i wanted to say is, just make the right judgment according to your ability.
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I remembered that I still have an unfilled bear tag. Highly doubt I'd fill it but now that makes 2/4 available species better suited to the .308 (pig, bear, bobcat & coyote). Of course, I'm highly unlikely to see anything anyway...
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