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The trouble with a fixed position is that it works both ways. The bad guys cant get in-but you can't get out, either. Siege warfare was a popular strategy in the distant past for a reason. You can't live in a sealed bunker forever. At some point you WILL exhaust your resources. It may take weeks or months, but the bad guys have the time. They can set up camp and re-supply as needed. You as the defender don't have that luxury. Once you run out of stores , game over. Your only option then is to starve in your fortress or surrender to your killers. So, if you intend on defending the space you'll need a plan for actively counter-attacking whoever's trying to assault the place. That may not be possible in a situation where 10+ people are going against a family of 4.
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Historically, sieges were raised when * other requirements caused the besieging forces to move * a relief force was near enough to threaten to or actually engage the besiegers (probably N/A here) * sickness weakened the besiegers * besiegers were unable to forage for enough supplies to stay * besiegers were unable to cut off the besieged from resupply, and finally gave up * a traitor opens a gate and the redoubt falls * sickness in the strong point reduced the defenders beyond the ability to defend * lack of supplies weakens the defenders beyond the ability to defend, as suggested here * a message is received by the defenders ordering them to surrender (probably N/A here) * a military or negotiated resolution is reached at a higher level, causing hostilities to cease. (probably N/A here) ETA - 1 more, exemplified by Masada - garrison suicides rather than yield. (And I did omit 'attackers win by assault' - climb the walls, break the gates, undermine the walls/towers, etc - and kill some or all of the defenders. No more siege after that.) I don't recall reading of any where the besieged managed to sally and break the siege, but that's a possibility. As you point out, tough for a family of 4 to do against a larger force.
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And I will be protecting my home and family. So will my neighbors. Nothing is more important to us than our family's.
Freezing in the winter and deadly hot and summer. Your gallon camel back and will last you a couple of days at best and the 300 rounds of ammo you started with is dwindling and you buddy you started with bled out about a hour ago. It seems like you are being shot at from several angles now and someone is very effective with large rifle night or day from the second story of the building you are tasked to take. Both assaults on the main building, one during the day and 11pm attack resulted in a several casualty's and retreat before getting within 200 meters. It seems they are fighting for their very lives. You have heard several trucks coming up on you left flank and have not seen anyone in your unit in the last 40 minutes. They seem to know everywhere you choose to hide. They are closing fast. You take a round low and you go down. Someone is standing over you, A flash and your dead like the rest of your like. Do you really think that a effective large force is going to just roll up and surround a large family compound. What will happen is the second you get close to our town they will encounter impassable roads and people trying to kill them. We like playing cowboys and idiots. |
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I have a 1200 mW 808nm lab laser that makes one helluva nice beam but I can only see the beam from several dozen feet if it's just pointing up in the air. Maybe if it's humid or foggy I can see it a little better but it's been my experience that lasers have to be hitting reflective objects or some sort wavelength specific photodiode to really generate a usable signal. Also, properly collimated lasers even in the 1W range ain't gonna be cheap, especially if you need 20 of the darn things. Maybe some focusable 850 nm units from Aixiz that put out say, 5 to 15 mW might work. At a distance of 200 yards of so, the beam can be focused to be quite large and should be safe for even non-autogated intensifier tubes as well as human and animal eyes. |
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Plus why possibly peak the interest of that force that was "too big for you to handle" and get them to start looking around for why someone bothered to set a booby trap at all? Quote:
Also armies have been shooting to wound for much longer then the 5.56 has been in use. As a former Marine Gunny myself your brother should have told you that "Marine" is ALWAYS capitalized. Quote:
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Interesting. To be honest, the only places I have tried this out have been either coastal areas with significant humidty/marine layer, or desert areas with lots of airborne dust, or a combination of both. I could see how in an area with nice clean air, the IR laser idea might not work very well. One more reason to go with a radio signal device motion detector I guess.
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Many of the I-have-it-all-figured-out posts in this thread make it clear that people haven't thought through these situations very well, and some have pointed out the need to not draw attention to one's self. But that doesn't fit the armchair Rambo I'm-going-to-kick-***-just-you-wait. It brings to mind the phrase, "everyone's got a plan until the shooting starts." I wonder how many here giving advice have been in real firefights, without air support or dozens of heavily armed buddies, for weeks on end. |
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It simply comes down to two thoughs do you want to be light and mobile or heavy armor and defendable. The light and mobile works fine if your mobile. If you have a fixed location then you want to be able to defend. History alone has taught that when you have movng raiders from disasters concealment works poorly because they are raiding anyhing that looks worth whie. In ww2 when whole towns were driven out and the people forced to fend for themselves they raided every farm withinn miles because they were starving and what they couldnt take with them they broke. The more resistance you give the the more they will leave you alone. Even organnized raiders will be significantly weeker than you because they have had to scrounge while you were prepared and should have thousands of rounds of ammo as well as working knowlage of the area. Look at afghanistan no ocupieing force has been sucessful for over 2000 years including us! If you stand you ground and have a secret way out then you should be fine. Just make sure to have IR and you can spot their snipers also get the counter sniper scaner. Forget what its called but it is able to see the scoupe of a sniper rifle. Their pricey though lol
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I forgot to mention you should already have enough food and water stored for a year as well as a resuplying food source and water source plan I.E. crops and well. That means a siege is only effective if you die or get sick or they break through.You could always retreat anyways through the secret tunnel. You shouldn't have all your eggs in one basket anyways. The purpose of the thread is how to defend a large property anyways and ideas how to so no need to troll and try to sink others boats because you dont like their logic just give you own sugesstion instead.
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Let's put is in simple terms...Physical barriers, Detection, Assesment, and last but not least, Response. This should cost you roughly a buttload(read Tens of Millions of Dollars or a company sized element for full time protection)of cash. Without going into details, I have a bit of experience in this realm and the bad guy always had the advantage of suprise and foreknowledge. Best bet is to withdraw, consolidate and defend from a smaller more reinforceable location.
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please eleberate as that is the point of the thread is the fall back point predetermaned and preset up to defend? or are you just heading to the hills?
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You guys make very good points. Being that this is a discussion to flesh out good and better points in fluid conditions, we should hold ourselves to the ideal that
1) Everything changes at the point of contact 2) Nothing goes according to plan WE may plan to rely on IR lasers, armored lookouts, familiarity of terrain, friends and family coming to aid but it is reality that the aggressor dictates the time and place of attack. What's that saying? United we stand, divided we fall? It's a safe assumption that raiders are not going to attack at the strongest or most obvious points. Though the bridge may be out or blocked, they will ford a river or find a path through the mountains. Snipe the changing of the guard. Set fire to the forest abutting the community then attack at the flanks. Attack at night during heavy snowfall. I think Rawles had a great point when he painted raiders in a future SHTF/TEOWAWKI scenario as: 3 individuals, some w/ military training, at least 1 scoped rifle, and operating as a small wolfpack. By the time they make it to you (6 months, 9 months, 12 months), they are desperate, hardened, and lethal. Biggest emphasis on desperate. There can only be an organized response to this organized raiding. I want to have every advantage I can humanly think of -here- before I meet these men in the night. |
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Someone mentioned wanting a critique of the actual location. I think that's an outstanding idea.
Note: The map is pretty much drawn to scale. I.e. the river really is about that much distance from the road/ property/ mountains, etc. Situation Report 1) The area is medium wooded at elevation of ~2-3k feet. 2) The homestead sits 3klicks down a paved road from the main road. Marked with the red X. 3) There is a clearing of approximately 500m x 250m in the back of the home for a scenic view. Approximately 2klicks east are the mountains. 4) There are multiple neighbors off this road on other little roads (marked as squares). 5) The are seasonal creeks due north and south of the property. Running down from the mountains. 6) Between the property and the mountains, there is a road that ends in the forest. Not sure of it's purpose or use? 7) There is a minor 2-lane highway marked in orange. This is the main access into the area. 8) There is a river due west of the property; this river feeds into a large lake due W and SW. I'm not sure which way the river flows. Or if the lake and/or river freeze during the winter. 9) There is a general aviation airport. 10) Circling the lake are many seasonal resort-type homes. 11) The mountain range is continuous for 30-40 miles running NW/SE with elevation ranging from 4-6.5k feet. 12) This location has 4-seasons! Initial Thoughts A) At first glance, my thinking is that folks could hike down that backroad for easy access to the rear of the property. B) Also, without having been up to the mountains there, those creeks could provide access through the mountains. I would need to check them out. C) The clearing in the back is great for observation....although it's the SIDES of that clearing I'm worried about. How can I defend or create barriers in wooded/ forested areas? Fockers could creep right up onto of us it seems. >>>> D) I have been told that if raiders were coming, the expectation is they would be coming from the south (more populated cities in that direction) <<<<< Last edited by Exocet5; 04-27-2013 at 7:40 PM.. |
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It would be a serious force multiplier worth the time and effort to acquire. A skilled hobbyist could fabricate one based on technology available off of ebay. It wouldn't be so small, rugged and light but it would still be functional. Don't think for a minute it ain't on my "ta-doo list"...course seeing as how I'm married that's about 500,000 years out |
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When I used to skulk around places as a kid, I never walked on roads. I went cross country, through swamps, across shallow spots in creeks, through clear cuts, through old growth forest, through thickets of saplings etc etc. If I wanted to check out a property, I'd approach from the rear, never the road in front. I'd say you've a backdoor that might be hard to secure. |
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How many people are in your group? With so much area to cover and with multiple, relatively easy access points you aren't going to really be able to do much in the way of keeping people out without a SIZABLE defensive force.
Your best bet it to cache a bunch of supplies at a more defensible location somewhere up in the mountains and retreat to that spot if more then just a couple people decide they want your house. Trying to make a stand at the red X against a group will most likely end in your death. |
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http://bookos.org/g/Ragnar%20Benson
Rangar Benson is a great source of info. You can get a good amount of free pdf if you just google his name with pdf in it. Heres a link.
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Im totaly interested what do I do? What parts do I need?
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I used the example of the South African farmers for this reason. The raiding parties laying siege to the white farmers don't give a crap about farming or storehouses of food. They're attacking because they want to commit racial genocide. An attacker motivated because your religion or family represents a target won't go away because you have defenses or extensive food stores . They could care less. The case of Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, the Balkans, the LA Riots, and other examples of racially motivated attacks show that an enemy like that wont stop until you-or they-are dead, period.Without a police or government force to stop it, people in a SHTF crisis will group along ethnic lines and perpetrate acts of racial violence with impunity. That's a bigger threat then roving raiders:at least raiders will pragmatically leave you alone if they get access to resources or find you a too difficult target.A squad of armed racist degenerates will hunt you down until someone dies.
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Silver, I have family that has a large farm in South Africa. You could not be more wrong if you tried. They are nothing but common thieves that attack the weak and or the stupid. They also die wholesale. It is far more common to be attacked in a urban area than the country.
Same thing in Bosnia and surrounding countries. Now the people that were in trouble were the poor people that were attacked by their own government because of their religion. Only when we put a end to it with our military did it stop. All this supposition about bands of marauders is just that. Any rural area will be defended by the people living there and will make fast work of any incursions into these areas. Remember they are raiding us to get our supplies. It is them that has limited resources and are out of their element. Early on there will be a huge spike in attacks like you are suggesting. As fuel and transportation and replacement of personal becomes a issue you will see things settle down very quickly. The closer to urban areas the worse things will be. |
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2) Yes, I'm definitely interested in how to setup the land AND organize the defense. Now, b/k I do consultative planning and are paid to make guesses, I'm going to make some, what I think, are reasonable assumptions to think about: > I'm going to go out on a limb and assume each home (8 homes in the immediate area) being able to contribute 1.5 relatively able bodied folks of varying ages with good quality rifles. x 8 homes = 12 shooters with good weapons and a good stock of ammo. That's 12 + the 3 in my group = 15. > I'm going to assume, since it's a nicer area, that my age distribution is skewed upward in age...ie LESS 20-30 something folks with young families, and MORE 40-50-60-somethings with teenagers. > I'm going to assume, since this is a 4-season area, there are a pair of FRS-type walkies in 1/4 of the homes. So 2-pairs or 4 total + the 2 in my group = 6 + 3 Kenwood VHF's comms (TK2100's) and + 2 Ham receivers (Yaesu VX-6s) > !!!! SPECIAL DISCOVERY !!!!!: THERE IS A BOBCAT AVAILABLE on the property with a SKID-STEER attachment and 300 gallons of diesel in drums This is not the actual Bobcat or land...this is a random stock photo to illustrate the type of equipment Without trying to be gay, here is the SUMMARY of the situation: > 15 irregulars, ages 14-60. Assume 3 @ 14-16yo's, 3 @ 20-30's, 2 @ 40's, 7 @ 50-60-early 70's > Assume 1/4 are good shots, 1/2 are ok shots, the rest beginners. > Assume 1 (just one) is a crack shot in OK physical condition (assume late 50's, overweight, but in good health, somewhat active - Mr Deer Hunter) > Assume there is a retired state trooper among the group > Assume among the shooters, there will be 1 person with EMT experience. > There will be 1 experienced ER physician among the non-combatants who has mostly industrial accident / knife wound / and a small amount of gunshot experience. > Each irregular has a good quality RIFLE; 1/2 with b/u weapons (pistols, etc) 1/2 with optics Assume ammo is plentiful Assume there is one mil-spec night vision goggle (PVS-type) with a 3rd gen len present within the group. Also assume, besides the Bobcat Multiple generators Multiple trucks Wood and Metal workshops, lathes, tools tools tools Gas welding A few bales of barbed wire fencing 6 FRS walkies 3 VHF walkies 2 Hand-held 5w ham recievers Trauma kits and basic first aid 10 canisters of white smoke (m-18 type) multiple 12gauge red marine flares rudimentary medical operating theater With your guys' frank input, especially you Steve_in_29, I realize where this needs to go to realistically survive small raider attacks as a group and small community. With so much ground to cover, in such a large area, with unfavorable conditions (woodland, road access), there needs to be 1) Consolidation of living situations to more defensible locations, 2) Establishment of some kind of basic comm system 3) Training to baseline folks 4) An ATTEMPT to establish some kind of command and control overlay; ie when raiders sighted, mothers and kids to location 1, non-able bodied shooters to location 2, able-bodied shooters A+B+C to location 3, reserve force D+E to location 4, crackshot+F (Mr Deer Hunter & spotter "F" with the NVG) to location 5, etc. All easier to organize after the first night of 'crazy shooting on the other side of the valley'. I do realize that this will be the hardest part of the entire situation. W/o trying to be gay and not having been in the service, I am realizing this SOUNDS like multiple small unit leadership....ie not 2nd LT....Captain. Crap. Is there some kind of curriculum for small unit leadership? Not necessarily squad level CQB but C&C level. Besides going to WP/NA/AFA/etc.... I am willing to spend to learn. But beyond this, what can I do in those first few weeks to begin to organize & build defenses/ people/ improve the location? What is the best way to organize that mix of people? Who to use to do what? Obviously the retired trooper has a unique skill set. The ER doc as well. I now have a bobcat, I can dig big trenches & move heavy things. Woodshop & welder to create spikes..... Bales of barbed wire..... Last edited by Exocet5; 04-27-2013 at 7:42 PM.. |
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Another thing that hasn't been touched on here is the ability of a band of "marauders" being able to move about freely.
The most powerful military in the world has real issues driving around Afghanistan without running into IED's that have accounted for over 75% of all casualties in the country. I would bet that with the resources and ingenuity of the USA populace that things will get real ugly quick for the bad guys. Wouldn't take much to disable and kill everyone in a unarmored bunch of trucks. If a bunch of Taliban can cause all the problems they do now against the most sophisticated and armored military in the world think what will happen when a bunch of marauders come looking for trouble in a Toyota pickup. I wonder how far in the air you could blast a pickup in the air with 50 lbs of ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel. Think Oklahoma City. Bands of roving thugs are going to be cumbersome to move about, feeding and keeping them in armed is going to be a logistical impossibility. They will stick out like a whore in church and be less welcome. My point is that your attacking thugs are going to catch hell long before they even get close. That being said, I can't imagine the carnage in major urban area's. |
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It's one thing when a few hundred, a thousand, or even a few thousand African bushmen compromise the security concern in a 50 sq mile area (for scale consider that Long Beach CA is only 63 sq miles); it's another thing when tens of thousands start to empty from multiple cities all at once. Even a 2% flight-rate from a tiny place like Indian Wells, CA (pop. 5,000) sends 100 people down the road in vehicles + some weapons. Apply 2% to Fresno (pop, 500,000) you get 10,000 hitting the road in vehicles, some with military and/or police training, certainly a fair # of bangers, and some with high quality weapons. The sheer # of people gives an extended distribution across a wide area. 10,000 people is an army division. It seems rural folk (within a gas tank of a major city...300 miles) may literally run out of bullets based on the sheer # of potential engagements. And then 80% of these fleeing urban folks run out of gas and are on foot & on the move perhaps 150-250 miles from their point of origin. More disturbing is when I admit a 2% flight rate seems low. Edit: It seems I have found some useful small unit leadership links: Small Unit Leadership http://www.amu.apus.edu/academic/sch...course/MILS120 Command and Leadership for the Small Unit Leader http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/docreposito...2_100_1953.pdf Big thanks to Bigguns85 for his Bookos.org link. I found some of the books referenced above to view Here is an online PDF scanner based out of UC Santa Barbara that will scan for embedded exploits/malware in PDF documents You can have it scan a link or scan an actual file http://wepawet.cs.ucsb.edu/index.php Last edited by Exocet5; 03-15-2013 at 7:53 PM.. |
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The US Military uses vehicles because largely, we don't have a choice. You cannot resupply an organized expeditionary force thousands of miles from its home base without using wheeled vehicles to transport food, material, and ammo. Its logistically impossible to transport large amounts of ammo and food without using some kind of truck-and large trucks need roads. A local SHTF situation doesn't fit that mold, because the bad guys will just walk out of the cities to plunder the rural parts. With regard to SHTF, I think we need to quantify exactly what "SHTF" means. If we're talking about Mad Max style SHTF, a fixed defense is bad news because sooner or later, you'll run out of material or meet a team of attackers who know their business. If we're talking about soft-SHTF/ government retrenchment like we see in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent in Argentina, government might actually ally with the crooks and robbers. In that event, you might survive the attack of the marauders....only to end up in prison when the surviving scumbags call in favors from City Hall. Remember, the bad guys have families and friends too. Kill enough of them , and eventually you'll end up on a crime lord's desk as a target to be removed at all costs. Look at what happened to Lance Thomas in LA: after shooting multiple robbers , the gangs in that city made it clear his shop was marked for a hit, which is why he took his business private into "appointment only". He didn't want an innocent customer catching lead on his account, and I don't blame Thomas for that decision.
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That bobcat picture has a road in the background. That means anyone traveling the road can see you as we'll.
Plus, are those fruit trees? If they are, people will see those as an opportunity for food. With the road you have no concealment. And with the fruit trees you have a target on you. If you lived in the desert I'm sure fewer people would want your cactus. My 2 cents because you are exposed you may as well look intimidating. Build ramparts with the bobcat. Place some bar wire. You have people for patrols. I still say some dogs and put warning signs for the dogs. Do you have snipers to target the road? Put some kind of marker on the road for your snipers to get their ranges. Multiple markers in different colors. Markers can just be a tree or barrel. You have an excellent hilltop position from the looks of it. And with all that barren looking land that's a field if death to cross. I'd clear some trees though. Multiple bunkers would be nice. With the bobcat you can built a trench pathway. Now you have cover to and from. |
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Granite - sorry, that Bobcat is not the actual one nor is the land....it's a stock photo I used just for illustration.
This is a small illustration of the land. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. Last edited by Exocet5; 04-27-2013 at 7:41 PM.. |
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Cut and stack the trees. Now you have bunkers, cover to bunkers and opened up firing lines. Some by the house and you've hardened your walls.
All that snow is free water. Although with a bobcat I'd might make a pond. I'd have my people practice shooting where their bunkers are and markers to adjust sights. That slight hill in the background has the high ground. Others would have a better idea how to counter or utilize it. |
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I was talking to a guy about villages in Africa. His unit would come into them and the story was always the same. For weeks or even months someone was murdering one or two of the males. Either attacking them physically when alone or sniping them from afar. Its called "dwindling" for lack of a better translation and it fits the crime sorta speak.
Two or three guys can "dwindle" a whole village down to women and children in a few weeks. Hit and run,... hit and run, rinse and repeat for weeks until the village had no one left to put up a resistance to the guys just walking up and taking what they want. They could also toss a ransom note into the village or whatever... pay up or lose more fathers.... You also got to remember evil isnt always in your face and obvious...it can also be concealed. The guy walking right up to the front door unarmed is just as much of a risk as the guy walking around at night with a gun. What you gonna do...murder every person who walks onto your land and asks for assistance? Fence lines are only useful when there is a polite society and only keeps the honest person out. Do not waste too much effort on them. Repair and maintain what is needed, but don't go all out...people protect what is valuable... so a fence is also a clue to the bad guys. Night vision is a MUST. Early warning is a must. Having a "first contact" policy in place that everyone knows is a must. Appear weak and vulnerable to test your guest. Their true nature will come out. "Show No Mercy" to those who would offer you none. |
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Excellent ideas from many people.
May I offer a different strategy? Focus on training your people to be marksmen level shooters at least and plan to bug out if faced with overwhelming force. You temporarily give up your position and come back at them at your convenience. Static defense is too expensive. Spread out your spider-holes and BOB all over the place and become a Grim Reaper at night. Hit hard and disappear. Over and over. The psychological effect is devastating. Use paintball to train. George |
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Unless you have enough people to CONTINUOUSLY man and overwatch that entire berm and it's approaches then you have simply provided any attackers with cover and concealment for them to get danger close. That's why the military erects guard positions with machine guns to be able to rake the approaches right up to the wall between each post. What they can't cover they defend with pre-planed, on-call fire missions which I don't see happening here. Trees or other plants will also allow what might otherwise be a too-steep-to climb berm to be negotiated by grabbing them for support. Shrubbery has another impact on an effective defense in that it will require even more defenders to man the berm due to the shorter lines-of-sight/fields-of-fire it creates. To say nothing of the myriad of sniping locations they now can utilize amongst the trees/bushes, Once the attackers are on top of that berm they also now control the high ground which makes any further attempt at defense within it moot. The term fish-in-a-barrel comes to mind. Bottom line, a berm/wall might make people feel good about their safety but it is a death trap if there aren't enough defenders inside it. |
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Despite the Call of Duty fantasies, even the BEST trained units still take casualties in those types of hit-and-run attacks, so a rag tag group can only fare worse. How long before it's reduced to ineffectiveness and the women/children are left to fend for themselves. A war of attrition really doesn't work if you have no way to readily replace your losses. |
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