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Tattoo keeps man out of U.S. Air Force basic tra
Wow. Tattoo's now verboten on right arm or hand to enter service?
"There are no tattoos (allowed) on the right arm or the hands — that's the modification," said Christa D'Andrea, chief of public affairs for Air Force Recruiting Services in San Antonio. "(It is) in an effort to keep up the military image." http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_139011...nclick_check=1
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Wow. There are people that I joined the army with that have tattoos all over. Some even have tattoos on their hands and neck. I don't see why tattoos should disqualify someone from serving. This is ridiculous. I could see if the tattoos were racist or very offensive but his name?
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I disagree with you. Most military jobs aren't to go out and kill people. Most if not all have some training to a ceratin degree to kill someone but that is not their main function. My main function in the AF is to support the pilots who go out and bomb mother F'ers who deserve to die. I have several tattoos on my legs, arms, shoulders, stomach, back, chest, etc... but I keep them covered. Part of being in the military is mainitaining a professional looking appearance. I don't have a problem with guys and gals going and getting tattoos to show where they have been, what branch they are in, and as momentos of military service. It's their right to do so but I do believe they should show them off on their own time. Once that uniform goes on it's time to show respect to the uniform and the country you serve in. Cover em up or get out.
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I agree, but from what I am reading, covering is not an option.
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Maybe he should have asked the question about tattoos and policies. All of us in the military know that the recruiters will only tell us what we ask about. Ignorance is no excuse. Besides, why would you get your own first name tattooed on your arm? Is he that stupid to forget his own name? If so he should join the ARMY and not the AF...lol
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Rules regarding tattoos should not have changed. It's BS, it's their performance that should matter.
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So, should the military allow people with facial tattoos to be the new poster children for our countries future? Should we allow them to be representatives for our country with full sleeves? Every single person who puts on a uniform in the .mil is basically an international representative our our country. Performance + appearance is what matters.
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When your in uniform your all supposed to look the same. If it's covered up by your shirt sleeves I expect you'll have no problem. The military has never been about personal expression. The military is about conformity and doing what your told. If you can't follow simple directions you wont get far in the military. They guy that wants to be different from everyone else is the first one to have problems in boot camp.
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His name deal is pretty lame, however when I was in the Navy, tattoos were common place, as with other services.
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I know they are common place. At my base the guys who have been in awhile and are tatted up, myself included, must cover them up as much as possibly while in uniform. Once I am off duty I can show them as much as I want.
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I think it's stupid. plain and simple. A tattoo doesn't impare your ability to fight, therefore it shouldn't matter. Just because a tatoo shows during a salute doesn't make the salute any less respectful. If someone volunteers to defend our country, i say we take them anyway they come. It's physical ability, not physical appearance that makes the difference.
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yeah i have an american flag covering almost my entire right bicep. i doubt the AF will kick me out for that :P
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I believe that the regulation was that tats are okay as long as they are covered up with the full service dress uniform. So nothing above the neck or below the wrist.
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Before we go off on too many tangents on knuckle tattoos and full face tattoos. The tattoo in the article is...
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I think this is a bit much to say though "Once that uniform goes on it's time to show respect to the uniform and the country you serve in. Cover em up or get out." - in the big picture view nothing disrespectful about visible tattoos and military uniforms. (yes, you could say a tattoo of a swastika would be an issue and I would agree, I am talking about big picture view for the masses in the military with tattoos). somehow, someway in the past, the people that made the foundation for the military today as you know it had and functioned with exposed tattoo's from day 1. no doubt some of the best minds in any branch of the service have them, they are visible, and it does not detract in 1 single way. AND, they are the ones that created that mystique and allure of professionalism that we have all come to know - and did it with tattoos of all kinds. I fully understand their goal in this, but it is 1 more small freedom a military person has - what they do to their bodies - that the military wants further say in all in the name of creating a visual persona. but yet, they give them the greatest power one can have as a man - the ability to kill in time of war - but waste time on petty issues like this. As well... the military has MUCH greater issues internally to fret about than BS like this.. IMHO. As well, who decides the value of a tattoo? A 6" tattoo in writing on a bicep is/can be better than a crappy military tattoo on a forearm that is more visible. one final comment - you can best rest assured, if they did not have enough men/women in the military, as it was a few years ago as compared to today where the Marines, for example, had filled their quota faster then ever and are turning people away, they would damn well take you with tattoos exposed or not. Then, this seemingly arbitrary rule would mean nothing.
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thy can do just as good of a job as you. heck, you admitted to have a ton of them, but some how, your better off in your mind since you cover up... at least that is how you come across... since yours are "covered". who cares. it makes you no better than them. bull... your giving way to much weight to the value of appearance. heck, to some that have NO tattoos, your ugly. your appearance is lacking. you are a stigma. you have issue since you have them. but somehow, again, you are able to have them and turn to others that have them and have them more exposed then yours and call them out for doing so and act as though their appearance is that critical. so placement makes all the difference? I think not. your desire of placing them in ways you can cover them is no better than those that do not. but you believe so. let me give you a quick example.. I have a few tattoos. I have earrings. I have longer hair. my "appearance" may be questionable then to some. BUT what they do now know is that I am one of the best duathletes in the USA. All American, 9 US World Championship teams, top rankings in the last few years. I have been in magazines, papers, have sponsors... but in your view, somehow my "appearance" could some sort of effect on my ability to do my job. hog wash. If I was ruled out from participating in my sport because of my "appearance", we would have never found out about the true quality of my performance, despite how I look. I out perform people with cleaner presentations and "appearance" at every race... but what's it matter. it does not.
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Well, at least he has a trendy tattoo to keep him happy for the rest of his life.
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https://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/si...hapter%201.asp
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This is so true, even for people not in the military. There is a lot of crappy looking stuff out there.
Keeps the cosmetic removal businesses doing well.
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To everyone who thinks the tattoo is okay....Imaging getting pulled over by a cop and he had sleeves on his arms with a bunch of tats. Regardless of how good he might be, it leaves a bad taste. Does not look presentable. Makes the Dept look like a bunch of punks...
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The tattoo is just his first name in hebrew, six inches of lettering running across his right biceps
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I think before I ink...and it is about location. I've gotten 2 more tatts in the last 6 months, both on my forearms. One of the left, one on the right. They are within regs, so I got them. Now...if they go and change the regs...they can go f*** themselves. I got them, they're staying.
Just for clarification, on my left forearm is my daughters name and birthdate. Going through a pretty sh1tty custoday battle right now, so it is near and dear to my heart. On my right wrist is the word "Serenity". It is a reminder to me that I don't have control over other peoples actions and I can only control my own. I got it after I was released from the psych unit at Balboa Naval Hospital after a week long venture through a very depressive/suicide watch episode. So...go ahead and knock them, DILLIGAF? Semper Fortis. |
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The Marine Corps doesn't allow new sleeves. But I think that's only if they cover the entire arm... not sure.
Oh to be in the good ole day's when branding was standard
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Yea that's the Army. The AF is and can be more picky. The recruiters barley have to lift a finger to meet their quotas (Transformers does all the work for them). If the Army could afford to do it, the tattoo policy that is, they would too. On a side note, personally I think tattoos are tacky, and unprofessional.
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I've been told it's tattoo that can be seen below a short sleeve shirt, not just sleeve tattoos... so if you have ink they put the picture of it in your file and if get more, well not sure what's the charge. at least that's what I've been told
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MY job performance has nothing to do with YOUR opinion. I have logged around 100 hours under the tattoo needle. I know people judge me because of them. Thats fine. I accept that. If people are so narrow-minded that they can't see past ink on my skin thats their problem. Just my .02
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Its all good, The guy is going to have them removed and he will try again. Hebrew? I thought it was Kanji.
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I will be going into the Army and I have both arms fully sleeved I had to get waivers and write a story for each one. I know that tattooes are a definate no-go for the USMC had a friend who was a grad. from Sac State get turned down for a tattoo and another who got both his arms done after getting back from Iraq. He went to re-up and was told nope!
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Check out my NCOERs (Non-Commissioned Officer Evaluation Reports) and see what they say about my professionalism Quote:
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So if I have tattoos that don't show while in uniform and the performance of my duties...you still have a problem with it?
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The only time I ever had any problem being tattooed was when I went into the Marine Corps. recruiters office and had them ask me what the red white and blue tattoo on the back of my arm meant. I said are you retarded?I then said BMX! He asked then is that a gang? I said are you ****in serious? I heard enough and left.Oh and I did have to get my Pinups boobs covered up to get into the Army.But thats about it! And there is nothing easy about getting tattooes removed. |
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