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Ours was Recruit Howard.
You know how some DIs do funny things with drill commands? Our third hat started his 'Foward..." command with an H sound. He also used the 'ow' sound for the first syllable. We'd be on the grinder ready to march, the DI would bark out "HOW-erd" and before he could get the "HARCH" out of his mouth, pvt. Howard would shout "YES SIR!" That was just one of Howard's many screw-ups. Everyone wanted to kill poor Howard, but he made it.
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i joined the army when i was 17 as a jr in high school, during desert sheild, went to basic between jr and sr year, in my basic platoon, there were 3 people that didint speak english AT ALL, at night we were giving them english lessons.
the army isnt as worried about the qaulity of who joins, especially in time of war, anyone that volunteers gets accepted, they weed them out in basic & AIT. medical care when your in basic blows, i almost ended up in the hospital ICU a week after basic cuz my lungs were filling up with liquid, i was swigging cough syrup and couging out a lung in the foxhole while i was taking my shooting test, i managed to pass anyway.
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My younger brother recently tried to join the Military.. He has a few minor blemishes on his record.. all branches but the Army turned him down. He never ended up enlisting, though.
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I went through USAF in '72. We had 4 drop outs out of 55. 1 Medical (guy weighed over 250 lbs) Other 3 decided "The military was not for them'. No one was 'Kicked out'. It was the Air Force for gods sake!
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yea, totally forgot about that, the army will give waivers for a LOT of legal issues.. assualt and battery, theft, whole nine yards.. 2nd day in basic they give the breifing for the UCMJ, and they end it with, "I dont care what your recruiters told you, they lied, if you have ever been arrested for ANYTHING, step up and fill out this form."
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I could be completely wrong, but I've been told by more than one Navy person that swimming wasn't a requirement in bootcamp.
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(If it matters, I was Army Armor)
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Yep, they'll fight harder that way. All these tales about sailors not abandoning their burning ships, they just couldn't swim! But then, I knew a fighter pilot who was afraid of heights...
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well swimming is not really a requirement in the corps. because there are many class 4 swimmers. all you really need to do is make sure your gear is water proofed and bycycle kick. or drown. but i think many people are also forgetting that the armies attrition rate maybe higher only because of the fact that they are humongous so they will have more people to drop. so if the army lost 10% of say 100.000 recruits yeah its alot but they still made 90,000 soldiers wheras say the marines get 10000 recruits and lose 20% they make 8,000 marines. the marines may have a higher percentage but the numbers are worse for the army.
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That's a crock of total BS. You obviously don't know what your talking about. The only truth to that statement is about the air force women. Marines is capitalized!
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I knew someone would step in! I just wanted to keep the rivalry between the army and the marines. The army sure has a lot more over weight people than I have ever seen but the marines weren't far behind only because there were less of them. What took you so long?
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You got me! Internet punch and I tried to counter.
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Swimming was a requirement when I went through, in fact, you had to tread water for five minutes if my memory serves me correctly, and you had to pass an water survival swim course.
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I think maybe in the late sixties we were a little more fit in the Navy than now.
I remember being at GQ scramble and they set different conditions including Zebra. We had a few small round hatch (Zebra) within a large hatch that a 1st class could not pass thru and the Chief behind him reported the incident. The captain had all personnel up to Chief to lose weight and pass thru Zebra or be up be up before mast. About 90 percent passed and a few were given option of retirement. |
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We had about 12 people out of a 240 man battery chaptered out at my basic at fort sill, for most of them they wanted to leave though. However I'm at fort sam houston right now and I've heard the dropout rate here is around 40% and I can see how too...
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I seem to recall when I was going through Paradise Island in 1989 we had a number of folks who "wanted" to get out after they realized they made a mistake but the Corps would not let them go.
Most of our attrition was due to medical, followed by those that tried to swack themselves because they could not just quite. Not sure about the other branches, but I know if folks are given the option to quite and things get a little tough, they will walk away. We didnt have that option. As far as 9wks vs 12wks every Marine leaves boot camp knowing which end of the rifle the bullet comes out of and has at least touched all major infantry based weapons and radios. Then factor in 4 weeks of weeding out the civilian in the recruit, 4 weeks weapons, 4 weeks tactics and combined arms training. Then follow on now with another 4 weeks post boot camp infantry based training, then off to MOS. A basic Marine gets more military training in 16weeks than the average Army trooper gets in a 4 years (infantry units excluded). Folks that I know who went to the Army all did it mostly because the Army does offer more jobs than the Corps, had units closer to where they wanted to be. And finally less deployments than they did in the Corps. |
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Maybe things were different in 2008 than in 1989, but I can say that in 2008 all the above was not necessarily the case as zukieast stated.
Also, the Army has a tendency to get their deployments extended, almost all the time from what I hear. Marine units don't have that happen (unless I don't know about it).
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as far as the army goes i know they get to go home during xmas if there in boot. in the marines now the only weapon you touch in boot is the m16. once you go to soi at least when i went in 2001 you learn the saw and grenades, and thats 5 weeks than off to the fleet. if your gonna be a 31/41/51 you spend 2 more weeks after the 11's have left. lav crewman spend 5 moe weeks at lav school across the street. pogues get to soi and spend like 17 days straight in the field, graduate han go to their respective schools. this is all how it was back then on the west coast not to sure about now. and from friends experience out of for years in the army you would get a one deployment whereas the marines would do 2 to iraq or afghanistan. Last edited by steelrain82; 10-29-2009 at 1:28 AM.. |
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If you can't make it thru boot, something is wrong with you. I know a few guys that failed to make it, their not doing so well in life either. All you have to do is keep your mouth shut and do what your told. Is that so hard?
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What is the average "boots on the ground" deployment time for the Marine Corps? As I understand it, its 6 to 9 months. Soldiers deploy for 1e to 15 months at a time. In an average 4 year enlistment its common for a Soldier to spend 24+ months in harms way. Even if a Marine deploys more times, they spend less time with "boots on the ground".
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Marine Units do an average of 6-9 months, but they usually only get 1 year back at their home base. So in a 4 year period they can do just as many deployments as Army units.
In 1989 at weapons training we did rifle range (M16), 50 cal, M60, M249, MK19, AT4, .45, 9mm. Then during final phase we got to do greandes (thermite, smoke, frag, claymore). Then more of the same in SOI. I still support forward deployed units, just got back from the Asscrack and am headed back soon, I meet alot of troopers who were prior Marines, and most of them tell me that they switched because of jobs available and deployment schedules. I did not fall for any BS! It is all BS! |
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Soldiers are supposed to get at least one year of dwell time between deployments, in reality, its usually a lot shorter than that. Soldiers get moved between units so often to plus up before deployments they end up rotating through with sometimes as little as 6 to 8 months at home. When equating boots on the ground time its basically a 2 to 1 ratio, 2 deployments for a Marine is 1 deployment for a Soldier. Add in the ranges, gunnery, FTEs, NTC, JRTC, and whatever schools you have the pleasure of attending, dwell time for a Soldier can be very short. We all have our up and down side, we all have our good and bad people, all have our weak and strong points, we are two different branches with two different missions. If you recall a few years ago, the Marine Corps leadership was complaining about Iraq, it wasn't their type of mission, they weren't trained and equipped for SASO ops, etc, etc. They wanted to only be in AF. Its not a negative dig at the Corps, its just a fact, they aren't geared for that type of mission, and don't have the ability or desire to adapt to the current type and tempo of operation going on around the world. As for training, we all receive great training, a lot of the Marine Corps training is administered by the Army. That's why I can't get butthurt when a Marine tells me they have the best training, its true, because they are trained b the best! On top of that, things that are reserved for the "special" units in the Corps are things that we do as our everyday gig, like airborne, air assault and such.
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We actually did not loose one person in our flight to attrition... (although, we should have lost one)
Our squadron lost 2 in total (both from our sister flight). One was an injury and he didn't want to leave. He was allowed to return the next year. The other just quit after a really bad day... The one person we should have lost was named John Klapp. The moron actually ended up getting a commission!!! Our FTO (a Captain - Basically a DI for officers) used to yell out during PT "Don't die on my Klapp!" (probably because he thought it was a distinct possibility). We went to PT with the PJs one day and the idiot almost drowned in the pool! The guy was terrible... I can't tell you how many times myself and Jeremy Bower (another Cadet, who has since passed on) had to pull him off the ground during PT. We'd do the push-up and while resting at the top, myself and another cadet would pull him up by his collar. I wish he hadn't have made it... |
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then on to MCT,I was a motor-t pog.we had to break ALL weaps down for time,then we fired them day and night.again m16,m9,m60,m249,.45,at-4,m2,mk19,m203 then on to the fleet,I was lucky enough to be in a 1st mardiv unit,all of the above at least monthly + drill on getting the guns up and running in the turrets,HMMWV,5 ton and LVS.the engage targets from turrets. The m240g came along after I had been in the FMF for a few years.
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Somewhere I seem to recall a few articles in Army times calling for Army units to examine Marine Corps doctrine and military ethos in the Marine Corps ability to adapt and work with what they had.
As for commercials the Marine Corps has had 1 motto "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" The Army changes its theme every couple years trying to attract recruits “I Want You For the U.S. Army” "Be All You Can Be" "An Army of One" "Army Strong" The Army has faced the problem for years of trying to figure out who they are. The Marine Corps has always known who they are. Also, the Marine Corps mission statement has never changed, and are beholden to the US Navy for funding, so they have less schools and resources for combat arms. The Marine Corps has no need of thousands of jump qualed troops. Cant land a C130 on an Amphib or Gator Freightor. As a fighting force the Marine Corps was never designed with the Logistics in mind to support missions longer than 90 days. A Marine MEU goes in completely self sustained for 90days with all logistics in place ready to fight. All equipment and supplies are rolled off the ship at 1 time. Specialized Army units may get to jump into places ahead of main battle group, but they lack the overall logistics to support a long term mission, and lack the heavy firepower required for sustained operations. They have to wait for their armor, aircraft, heavy artillery, medical units to catch up. They go in with what is on their backs and what is dropped from the sky. Both sides have limitations, but they both augment and compliment one anothers capabilities. If the Army could do it all, then there would be no requirement for 2 sets of combat branches. Back to mission statement and that sets the two apart. Plus the Navy guys get to boss their own little grunts around without having to leave their ships! |
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as far as the amphibious aspect. the army learned and had to be trained by the marines how to do it. the same thing with close air support. and if the marines werent so bad a@@ why would the army constantly try to get the marine corps disbanded. the marines are shock troops we are meant to come in beat the crap out of shore defenses, secure a beach head and than let the army take over. the army is meant for the extended fight and occupation. thats why they are an army not a corps. both groups have their jobs but the marines have adapted to help doing the armies role as well as maintaining their expiditionary role. every country/enemy that we have fought has always feared the Marine Corps and given them the utmost respect. the jihadists all want to kill americans and go get their virgins, but they are held in even greater esteem if they kill marines.
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Say what now?
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when i was a pfc i was sweeping brass at the shoot house at schofield barracks Hawaii. we were sharing the sight with the marines, my buddy and i were talking about how it was funny that the army and marines talk **** about each other yet theres a marine in the next room over sweeping up brass, a marine e-5 overheard and came by to say he appreciated that.... thought that would have something to do with this conversation.
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