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Old 12-09-2020, 5:22 PM
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Hi guys,

I'm doing an inventory on my inherited reloading supplies, lucky for me my grandpa was organized.

Came across this bullet though, and not sure if I trust the label on the box they're in.

Pic attached, container labeled "45 ACP 200 LHP"

It looks like a Jhp to me, maybe a slight hiccup in labeling?
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Kind of resembles Speer Gold Dot, but not sure.
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Let he who never makes spelling errors throw the first dictionary.

Let me recommend this load.



Rock Island Arsenal GI M1911 5" barrel

185 gr Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot DM Mixed cases WLP OAL 1.210"
taper crimp 0.469"

27-May-20 T = 80 °F

Ave Vel = 984
Std Dev = 26.09
ES = 91.41
High = = 1028
Low = 936.7
N = 11


Remington 1911 R1 Two Tone,

185 Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot DM, WLP OAL 1.210" taper crimp 0.469"

21-Apr-20 T = 76 °F

Ave Vel = 1016
Std Dev = 12
ES = 31.42
High = = 1033
Low = 1002
N = 8

note:Lucky Gunner Factory Velocity = 955 fps
But factory ad claimed 1055 fps muzzle velocity.


Colt SIG SAUER P220


185 Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5, Lot DM WLP (brass) Mixed Military

6/19/2011 T = 88 °F

Ave Vel = 980
Std Dev = 15
ES = 46.5
High = 1004
Low = 957.5
N = 8
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WTF? Your pic shows TWO BULLETS!

Which one are we supposed to address,!?!?!


Sheeeesh. Some posters here.
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Weight them and measure them and work up a load?

What am I missing here?
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It looks like a plated hollow point, so LHP, Lead Hollow Point makes sense.
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Kind of resembles Speer Gold Dot, but not sure.
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Let he who never makes spelling errors throw the first dictionary.

Let me recommend this load.



Rock Island Arsenal GI M1911 5" barrel

185 gr Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot DM Mixed cases WLP OAL 1.210"
taper crimp 0.469"

27-May-20 T = 80 °F

Ave Vel = 984
Std Dev = 26.09
ES = 91.41
High = = 1028
Low = 936.7
N = 11


Remington 1911 R1 Two Tone,

185 Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot DM, WLP OAL 1.210" taper crimp 0.469"

21-Apr-20 T = 76 °F

Ave Vel = 1016
Std Dev = 12
ES = 31.42
High = = 1033
Low = 1002
N = 8

note:Lucky Gunner Factory Velocity = 955 fps
But factory ad claimed 1055 fps muzzle velocity.


Colt SIG SAUER P220


185 Speer Gold Dot 9.5 grs AA#5, Lot DM WLP (brass) Mixed Military

6/19/2011 T = 88 °F

Ave Vel = 980
Std Dev = 15
ES = 46.5
High = 1004
Low = 957.5
N = 8
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WTF? Your pic shows TWO BULLETS!

Which one are we supposed to address,!?!?!


Sheeeesh. Some posters here.
Sorry, figured it was obvious I was asking about the hollow point, given the context, but I can see how it can be very confusing to put the words and pic together.

230gr ball included with mystery hollow point for reference.

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Weight them and measure them and work up a load?

What am I missing here?
I’m organizing a truckload of reloading supply’s, there’s probably already a recipe worked up in the notebooks I have. I was expecting LHP to be jacketless lead bullet, and they are not in their original box, so I thought it might be an error. I’ve since found a few more boxes of the same bullet labeled the same, I wonder why the LHP label vs JHP, guess it doesn’t really matter


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It looks like a plated hollow point, so LHP, Lead Hollow Point makes sense.
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Thanks, that’s what I’ll go with, I just wonder why jhp was used on the other labels/calibers I’ve gone through so far
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WTF? Your pic shows TWO BULLETS!

Which one are we supposed to address,!?!?!


Sheeeesh. Some posters here.
He’s talking about the hollow point. He’s using the FMJ as a size reference. For a guy who freely throws the “stupid” around, you should take a look at yourself before posting anymore critical comments.
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OP, curious: your inherited inventory, did it include primers and powders? If so, you've hit a bonanza. Good luck with everything.

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OP, curious: your inherited inventory, did it include primers and powders? If so, you've hit a bonanza. Good luck with everything.

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First, weigh some of those hollow points to make sure they're really 200gr.

Next, assuming you have verified that weight, then I would recommend the following load. This is for 200gr bullets; do not try this with the 230gr one!

5.4gr Titegroup
Any standard large pistol primer

This is a max load for .45 ACP with a 200gr load. Works great in every gun I've ever tried it in. I use the typical mixture of headstamped brass that one would find at a range.
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First, weigh some of those hollow points to make sure they're really 200gr.

Next, assuming you have verified that weight, then I would recommend the following load. This is for 200gr bullets; do not try this with the 230gr one!

5.4gr Titegroup
Any standard large pistol primer

This is a max load for .45 ACP with a 200gr load. Works great in every gun I've ever tried it in. I use the typical mixture of headstamped brass that one would find at a range.
I'll verify everything that isn't in a sealed original container when it comes to loading. Right now I'm finishing up inventory and organizing.

Thanks for the tip, I dont have titegroup but i do have bullseye. If theres multiple containers of this bullet, I'm sure there is a recipe my grandpa developed in a notebook somewhere in my stack. If not, I'll pick up some titegroup later on (if possible)
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Measure the diameter after double checking the weight. If it is .451, use jacketed data. Use lead data for .452
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I'll verify everything that isn't in a sealed original container when it comes to loading. Right now I'm finishing up inventory and organizing.

Thanks for the tip, I dont have titegroup but i do have bullseye. If theres multiple containers of this bullet, I'm sure there is a recipe my grandpa developed in a notebook somewhere in my stack. If not, I'll pick up some titegroup later on (if possible)
Ah, you've got Bullseye? Then try 5.0gr of this powder. That's my other (backup) load with this weight of bullet. Note that Alliant themselves say that max is 5.8gr, so you're well within safe limits.
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Ah, you've got Bullseye? Then try 5.0gr of this powder. That's my other (backup) load with this weight of bullet. Note that Alliant themselves say that max is 5.8gr, so you're well within safe limits.
"The load", and I mean "the load" that was used in the 1910 developmental cartridges was a 230 FMJ with 5.0 grains of Bullseye powder going 800 fps, plus or minus. And "the load" was used in the pistol tests that lead to the adoption of the 1911, and "the load" was used in several World Wars and a bunch of bush wars. "The load" is the standard by which you should use in evaluating a load for a 45 ACP automatic. The pressure curve and velocity of "the load" is what the platform was developed around.



I don't know why the box says 820 fps, but this was the match load.



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Sorry, figured it was obvious I was asking about the hollow point, given the context, but I can see how it can be very confusing to put the words and pic together.

230gr ball included with mystery hollow point for reference.



I’m organizing a truckload of reloading supply’s, there’s probably already a recipe worked up in the notebooks I have. I was expecting LHP to be jacketless lead bullet, and they are not in their original box, so I thought it might be an error. I’ve since found a few more boxes of the same bullet labeled the same, I wonder why the LHP label vs JHP, guess it doesn’t really matter




Thanks, that’s what I’ll go with, I just wonder why jhp was used on the other labels/calibers I’ve gone through so far
ol' shooter gave you most of the explanation. there's a construction difference between a plated bullet and a jacketed bullet.

your bullet was cast to form and then chemically/electrically COATED with copper.

the true JHP's you have were formed by swaging a cup of jacket material around a cylindrical core.

the two types use different load data. use data for cast bullets with the plated hollowpoint.
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Is there a pin in the center of the hollow point or just an open tip?
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Gold dot


Here is the one with the little pin in the center

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Over 36 lbs of various powders, over 10k assorted primers

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It looks like a plated hollow point, so LHP, Lead Hollow Point makes sense.
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Plated bullets typically use lead data, not jacketed date.
That being a plated bullet with the hollowpoint pressed into the bullet after plating, you would treat it as a lead bullet of the same shape for load selection purposes.
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Last I heard, Rainier (bullet company) has closed their doors. I liked their bullets for the 500 S&W.

Not to be confused with this site...

https://www.rainierarms.com


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