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Old 08-29-2014, 2:06 PM
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To take my Libtard point of view... maybe it's better that they got away with $70 than you had to deal with going through the aftermath of shooting and maybe killing two guys.
That may well be true and depends on the circumstances. If he drew, he might've only gotten one guy before the other shoots him first or overpowers him and shoots him with his own gun. Then he could be dead instead of down $70.

What does the Libtard think about letting him decide for himself how to handle the risk? What about for women (or some men), who may face the additional risk of rape? Should men and women adhere to different laws?
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Each one of us with a CCW permit has to determine in their own hearts, beforehand, if they can live with the consequences of having to use deadly force.

If you have any qualms, or hesitation, it's best to just carry pepper spray. I'm not saying this is an demeaning manner. You are the one who has to go on day to day knowing you took another life.
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Yeah that's what I learned in the CCW training as well. Spread your shot placement around the chest cavity to create 2 or more wound tracks.

Two well placed double taps with a 9mm are just as effective as a .45 any day.
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This hasn't been bumped in a while. I like to refer to it occasionally so that preparedness stays top of mind.

And it's a great story.
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This hasn't been bumped in a while. I like to refer to it occasionally so that preparedness stays top of mind.

And it's a great story.
Second time I've read this now (QuarterBoreGunner shooting BG). That tunnel vision, it's no joke.
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Did anyone post the Darwin award winning gunstore robbery? I think that was a .45 and that guy didn't move an inch after being shot.
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Did anyone post the Darwin award winning gunstore robbery? I think that was a .45 and that guy didn't move an inch after being shot.
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Yep. That's it. Thanks.
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I was just thinking about this last night: did QBG keep that Glock after it performed so poorly?
Or was it an issue of specific ammo?
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A blast from the past.

There were 4 shots total; 2 hits. 1st round was a clean COM direct hit on the bad guys left nipple. Round failed to expand; mushroomed only slightly and exited the body through the left shoulder blade. Round was recovered from the parking lot where this all went down.

2nd round impacted inside the badguy's right wrist causing him to drop the Colt Sporter he had, the round traveled up the inside of the arm flaying open the muscle tissue exposing bone and then exited vie the back of the upper arm just past the elbow.

Still creeps me out. Man that was messy.
If the store employee kept firing, the bad guy would have definitely die. If from nothing else but at least from heart attack.
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I was just thinking about this last night: did QBG keep that Glock after it performed so poorly?
Or was it an issue of specific ammo?
It was ammo related; old school 230grn Hydra Shock performed poorly out of the short 3.75" barrel. Not enough velocity to expand and was through and through. Might as well have been hardball.
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It was ammo related; old school 230grn Hydra Shock performed poorly out of the short 3.75" barrel. Not enough velocity to expand and was through and through. Might as well have been hardball.
It was a 30 or a 36?
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It was a 30 or a 36?
A Gen 2 Model 30. I switched to 185grn +P Gold Dots after that, and have subsequently retired the .45 - I carry a Glock 19 every day now.
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A Gen 2 Model 30. I switched to 185grn +P Gold Dots after that, and have subsequently retired the .45 - I carry a Glock 19 every day now.
I'm not too hot on Gold Dots, I prefer Golden Sabres.
I haven't tried the Federal ammunition varieties.
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I'm not too hot on Gold Dots, I prefer Golden Sabres.

I haven't tried the Federal ammunition varieties.


From the testing I have seen, Federal HST's are the hot potato right now. I run 230 grain HST's in my 1911's and XD-m. Regular P variety. Wife runs 147 grain +P in her Shield.
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Did anyone from the nightclub the bad guy was heading to contacted you to say thanks? Owners, people who were there that night?

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A Gen 2 Model 30. I switched to 185grn +P Gold Dots after that, and have subsequently retired the .45 - I carry a Glock 19 every day now.
I am curious why you now carry a 9mm instead of a 45ACP.


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What a thread. QBG and Sniper are true heroes. I learned a lot. Especially the part where you can never have enough training. Made me open my eyes and think about how little I've been practicing lately. Going to change that.

Very interesting to read the stories of what humans are capable of surviving. All the more reason to train more and stop worshiping a particular caliber. Sad to hear about Quinn Boyer. May he rest in peace, and may the perps live the rest of their lives in agony.

For the people who complain about this thread being brought back to life every now and again, get lost. I wouldn't have run into this thread if it wasn't for that. To the people who try to tell QBG what he should've done differently, you probably would've frozen up like a deer in headlights. Save your tough talk for the girls you're trying to impress.
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What a thread. QBG and Sniper are true heroes. I learned a lot. Especially the part where you can never have enough training. Made me open my eyes and think about how little I've been practicing lately. Going to change that.

Very interesting to read the stories of what humans are capable of surviving. All the more reason to train more and stop worshiping a particular caliber. Sad to hear about Quinn Boyer. May he rest in peace, and may the perps live the rest of their lives in agony.

For the people who complain about this thread being brought back to life every now and again, get lost. I wouldn't have run into this thread if it wasn't for that. To the people who try to tell QBG what he should've done differently, you probably would've frozen up like a deer in headlights. Save your tough talk for the girls you're trying to impress.
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Did anyone from the nightclub the bad guy was heading to contacted you to say thanks? Owners, people who were there that night?
It was never made public knowledge I believe; I know as it was part of the trial and I had access to court documents.


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I am curious why you now carry a 9mm instead of a 45ACP.
The FBI report from two years was what really changed my mind; studies and forensic reports had been edging that way for years, but the FBI report was the final nail. Bullet manufacturing technology and design has improved to the point that there's no significant advantage to using a .45 - fast, accurate rounds on target are what count, placement placement placement and I can shoot faster and more accurately with a 9mm than I can with .45
This is all just my opinion of course.
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It was never made public knowledge I believe; I know as it was part of the trial and I had access to court documents.
I seriously believe NRA and such should be making big deals of cases like this. They should be known by public as well as San Bernardino, Sandy Hook and other mass shootings...
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Well one thing this event makes clear ... if you are going to carry, then carry "cocked and locked".
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OMG, I just noticed that even THIS thread was from 10 YEARS ago! LOL!

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From the testing I have seen, Federal HST's are the hot potato right now. I run 230 grain HST's in my 1911's and XD-m. Regular P variety. Wife runs 147 grain +P in her Shield.
We switched from Ranger T 180 grain (in a .40) to HST at my work. It's supposed to be a very thin margin better in expansion. My only issue is you load and unload pistols a lot when you book people. My experience (as the guy who has to furnish ammo) is if you kick your barney round out and it lands on the floor on the projectile the HST's are fairly soft and will deform. This was never an issue in years of ranger use, now I have a guy turning in a bullet once a week to get a new one.
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what was the outcome of the suit?

someone must come up with legislation that would prohibit those who commit violent acts to sue property owners or victims if things go awry. if you can't steal by force, do it in court... *sigh*
Typical stand your ground laws include a clause immunizing the justified shooter from civil liability.
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I am curious why you now carry a 9mm instead of a 45ACP.
When people want to talk about calibers they want to know what is a "deathray". It does not work that way.

I think God has a lot to say on the matter. Plus paramedics and medical professionals do their best to save lives regardless if they are a good guy or a bad guy.
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I remember this story from TFL. The actual store employee who shot the assailant posted his side of the story after the trial was over. IIRC, the assailant was shot with 230gr Hydrashoks. Bullets were recovered in the parking lot and there was no expansion.
Interesting, in the mid '90s we had a fellow officer shoot a bad guy in the butt with a 230 gr Black Talon. The recovered bullet showed zero expansion, only the marks left by the lans.
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I enjoyed reading this story. Bravo.

Very nice work, QBG.

And another way to think about whether or not you're fine with Stevens living... He's got 48 very long years to get punished and regret what he's done to throw away his life. Dying would have been the easy cop-out.
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This thread was a big factor in my decision to phase out JHP's as my SD bullet of choice. All my SD handguns use Lehigh Extreme Defenders now, as they have very consistent ballistics no matter what the barrel length, barriers, and other variables are. Just a personal choice on my part.

When I read this story, I realized I was using the same gun (well, a g36) and ammo for my primary SD gun, and it made me re-think things.

Anyways, thanks again QBG for this story. While you can watch youtube videos and read news articles about self defense shootings all day long, for some reason it had way more impact on me to read a first-hand account.
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Holy ****. Sorry for bumping an old thread but I stumbled upon this thread while search for anything on CGN for the Steven Stevens manhunt. Crazy story. Good job, QBG. You're my new favorite hero.
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Holy ****. Sorry for bumping an old thread but I stumbled upon this thread while search for anything on CGN for the Steven Stevens manhunt. Crazy story. Good job, QBG. You're my new favorite hero.


Don't apologize. This thread needs the occasional bump. Very well told story of one of our own involved in a real gunfight (unlike 45 ACP. Lol). Also EMT commented in here as well IIRC.
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You should have custom engraving done on the the slide of a Glock, "Lifesaver" and pass down to your kids.

What a story.
Unfortunately with the stupid laws here in CA he can't pass it down. Such BS.

I would've never seen this article if it hadn't been bumped. Much thanks to whoever did. I've seen the screen name many times/the Simon Pegg picture and had no idea.

***QBG*** You truly are a lifesaver. Great job. What a story to live through. Glad to see you and your coworkers made it out safe and that scumbag is rotting behind bars. You should see if you can send care packages to some of the lifers in that AZ prison in the hope that they will make life very uncomfortable for that loser..make it difficult to sit down.
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Just spent the last hour reading through every single page of this thread. What a great story with accounts from both QBG and sniper5. I'm speechless. Words cannot describe how I feel right now.
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From the testing I have seen, Federal HST's are the hot potato right now. I run 230 grain HST's in my 1911's and XD-m. Regular P variety. Wife runs 147 grain +P in her Shield.
I carry hst's now 9mm.
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There are no words to adequately describe the disgust for any State that would allow a perp, who was shot by a person he has kidnapped at gunpoint, and who told that person that he was going to be murdered, to sue that victim for anything.
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Every time that I read the details of these events it gives me a slight chill. Out of so many possible scenarios there was certainly an angel looking over the range staff.
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Bump for the best thread ever on CGN. I've practiced my draw and shot placement once a month for the last 4 years because of what I learned here.
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Um, no.

2. The better designs of the current gen of JHP bullets are much more consistent with expansion whether through clothing or not. Hydra-shoks have a rep for failing to expand reliably, when cloth plugs up the HP cavity...
I have used Hydra-shoks for hog hunting and they worked fine BUT.
I used 165 grain .45 acp Hydra-shoks.

Higher velocity equals better expansion and lower recoil. plus faster shots.

230 grain bullet weights were not used by the military for expansion because they were required to use FMJ. and needed the pure shock power.
HPs need higher velocity to get expansion and the only way to do that is with a lighter bullet.
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