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Old 04-24-2019, 10:14 AM
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Default Would you ever carry this? (Customized handguns for CCW)

I have been debating whether or not to customize/tacti-cool the S**T out of my bare-bone Glock 19 Gen 4. The truth is, Iím a firearm enthusiast who has crazy ideas when it comes to firearm customizations. And I would very much LOVE to carry a custom tacti-cool G19 for my EDC. This is what I want my G19 to look like (credit to Johnathan at Tactical Toolbox)-



Cool, right? But this begs the question of whether or not itís worth it to carry such an expensive and ďscaryĒ looking firearm. (Note that scary is in quotations, which is one of the main points of this discussion).

I know the essential modifications that should be done to an EDC weapon are the internals. But there are legal advices from professionals to avoid such modifications because the prosecutor can use this against you, and I do plan to leave all that stock because of possible legal repercussions if I ever had to use this in a self-defense situation. Which brings this back to the ďscaryĒ point. Iím only planning to customize my G19 externally (rmr, suppressor height sights, slide cut, cerakote, etc.) similar to the image as shown above.

Yes, I know you can carry anything you want from caliber to handgun models, within reasons. Yes, I know you should carry something that you like or is comfortable with. But would you carry something so expensive and tacti-cool knowing that your CCW will be confiscated by the police as evidence and you may or may never get it back, and something that may or may not be used against you in court?

Again, please note Iím not talking about the possible legal repercussions of internals of a CCW, but the externals. I have read from professional sources that if you had to use your CCW in a self-defense situation, no matter your CCW is bare-bone stock or modified, the prosecutor will try to find anything to pin in on you, being that with little-to-no modifications to a CCW is best so it gives the prosecutor less of an opportunity to put you in jail. What are your thoughts and feelings of carrying a customized tacti-cool CCW (fears of legal repercussions, worth it or not, cool or dumb idea, etc.)?


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What does your IA say about modifications?
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Range Toy.

I have learned over the years through modifying guns for competition that as the mods pile up *Generally* reliability goes down. While that's a cool looking gun, would you bet your life on it being 100% functional when needed?
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No.

Difficult to conceal.

Too many ways it can snag during the draw stroke.

Perfectly appropriate for the BBQ.
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I cannot carry, but if I could, a tricked out piece is not my cup of tea.

Stock and run enough to know it's reliable (within reason) and then I know the rest is up to me, not do-dads.

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If you even have to use your carry weapon it very well could end up in an evidence locker for months or years. Therefor I only carry reliable tools I can easily replace.


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On the plus side if you ever had to draw it odds are the bad guy would be laughing so hard he'd probably drop his own gun.
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I myself wouldn't carry that. All my carry weapons have modifications that slightly improve factory like Night sights, magazine springs, and trigger. Nothing more.

As others have said, you could lose it after use, you need a really reliable firearm.
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no, I prefer simplicity , no extra parts that can snag and get in the way

a standard G17 or G19 , and standard OEM plastic sights, standard cap mags
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Let's see the holster you're going to put that thing in, and the shirts that're gonna go over it...
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Doubt your IA would even consider allowing you to put it on your permit in CA
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Nope. Ignoring the part about "Gucci-Glocks" not being my thing, everything I've read on various forums and seen in various videos suggest that the more aftermarket crap you put on Glocks, the more likely it's going to have reliability issues. For a gun that is known for its reliability above all, it seems silly to risk that just so it looks "cool".

I carry two Glocks (19 and 43), other than smoothing out the edge on the underside of the trigger guard (no more range blisters) and night sights I'm happy with them as is. I pull the trigger and they always go bang.

Now, if it's just something cool to have for a range toy then I'm all for it. Nothing wrong with having fun and spoiling yourself.
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No.

Bone stock glock 19, 15 round mags, Vickers sights.

Period. Thats everything done to it.
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What does your IA say about modifications?


If you carry concealed legally, your first question should be to your IA.


If they permit you to carry it (unlikely in CA), the question has be what holster would you use and how you could realistically conceal it without a hug coat.


So many better choices...
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Seriously? I mean really? You would need a recording of the theme from Shaft to play as you attempted to draw.
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No.

Difficult to conceal.

Too many ways it can snag during the draw stroke.

Perfectly appropriate for the BBQ.
Yeah, it's not practical for the job task which needs something extremely practical and least likely to have complications in one of the most highest stress situations one can ever expect to deal with.
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Let me be as polite as I can:
Are you out of your f*cking mind?

Let's assume you have more money than brains, and your Sheriff is a total wacko who loves Liberace and wears women's clothes off duty, you'd still give the D.A. prosecuting you a wonderful present when he can show the jury that you are a gun freak who should not be having access to any weapon.
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Let's see the holster you're going to put that thing in, and the shirts that're gonna go over it...


Tier1 Concealed holster. Jonathan from Tactical Toolbox conceals it with no prints whatsoever. Not to say my body type is like his, but thatís the most concealable holster for that particular setup Iíve seen.


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Are you out of your f*cking mind?

Let's assume you have more money than brains, and your Sheriff is a total wacko who loves Liberace and wears women's clothes off duty, you'd still give the D.A. prosecuting you a wonderful present when he can show the jury that you are a gun freak who should not be having access to any weapon.


As stated, I already know the legal repercussions Iíd have if I use a highly customized tacti-cool CCW in self-defense. Thatís why Iím asking for advice to see what people thinks.


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mod the crap out of one and keep the 2nd stock.
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Tier1 Concealed holster. Jonathan from Tactical Toolbox conceals it with no prints whatsoever. Not to say my body type is like his, but thatís the most concealable holster for that particular setup Iíve seen.


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Most people looking to conceal, and thats pretty much everyone, consider compact and subcompact models, which cuts a half inch at a time from the slide and grip.

That rig has unnecessary extensions of both slide and magazine, making it about as cumbersome as possible.
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I keep my pistol simple. Only addition is night sights.
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No, probably not.

G19, Sig P229 , only with night sights, no other mods for my EDC gun.


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I would be ashamed to show my face if I carried something so ludicrous.
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This is a gun that you carry on you. Things can get real, really fast. When kids wanna pimp out their guns like that makes you wonder where their head is.
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Nope. All my carry guns are factory except for sights. There is no way in hell I would carry that. It's my personal choice though, just as deciding to carry that, or not, is yours.
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I don't hop up my work truck with aftermarket performance goodies, nor would I ever consider carrying that weapon in the OP. But I support your right to do so.

I carry a bone stock Glock 9mm (either a 43 or a 19) with TruGlo sights.
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I would do that. I don't know about the practicality of carrying that with the comp. Red dots are awesome, however, if you can conceal it. Which isn't too hard with the right holster.

On the issue of money: You carry the most reliable gun that you shoot the best. I have a Wilson Combat that currently serves as my nightstand gun. And if the police take it after it gets done saving my life and the lives of my family, they can keep the damn thing for all I care, and it will still be the best money I've ever spent. Moreover, do you own your stuff or does your stuff own you?

On the issue of legality or how it might play out if you have to shoot someone using a gun like that: My first priority is to make sure I'm alive to face whatever comes next (criminal/civil trial). To that end, I will make any REASONABLE modification that improves my chance of surviving the gun fight. This includes REASONABLE mods to the fire control group. I believe a good shoot is a good shoot and you won't suddenly be sent to prison for the sole reason that you modified your gun. I think a competent attorney can counter whatever might come up. Note that I said "reasonable." Obviously if you lighten your trigger to 2 lbs and then ND into somebody, that's probably not going to go too well for you in court. And note this doesn't mean that a prosecutor won't come after you for something like that gun. Like I said, I believe a competent attorney can counter things and I'm willing to accept the consequences if he can't. YMMV.

BTW, my current carry gun has a red dot and an Apex trigger in it, like that gun has. It does not have a comp or the tacticool slide...or the upgraded barrel...or the mag extension...I'd love to see how the guy conceals that thing. My suspicion is that it's a range gun but perhaps you have more info on it/him.
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Tier1 Concealed holster. Jonathan from Tactical Toolbox conceals it with no prints whatsoever. Not to say my body type is like his, but thatís the most concealable holster for that particular setup Iíve seen.
It's not about printing. And if you ask any experienced person, nobody cares about printing. Only noobs do.

Clearly, your head is not in the right place right now. You are watching way too much of Jonathan and probably not enough of someone a bit more practical like this kid right here:



You might notice he has all kinds of cool ***** on the table there. One of them happens to be a plain old glock too.

The difference is his head isn't wrapped around all the unicorn fur you can attach to your gun. He is focused squarely upon building skills.

Pimping out your pistol in the way that is shown in your OP costs about the same as 12k rounds of ammo.

I suggest refocus your obsession on that, on your SKILLS rather than all the ***** you think your gun needs.

Out of the box, Glocks are ready to do just about ANYTHING for personal/home self defense. Right out of the box.

And while it can use a better pair of sights and a couple of "minor" personal tweaks, what your guns really needs is a good YOU.
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I have found that what works for others doesn't necessarily work at all for me with holsters and carry methods.
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Do you drive a slammed civic with a can on the back? If so, that pistol is perfect.
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I'd go for it as long as I can wear my pimp shoes too.
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But this begs the question of whether or not itís worth it to carry such an expensive and ďscaryĒ looking firearm.
If you ever have to use your gun in an actual defensive situation, the prosecution will use this against you.

They will say you were not only looking to shoot someone but to kill them for fun based on how your gun looks. And it will probably work on the likely libtards that are in your jury box.
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I would do that. I don't know about the practicality of carrying that with the comp. Red dots are awesome, however, if you can conceal it. Which isn't too hard with the right holster.

On the issue of money: You carry the most reliable gun that you shoot the best. I have a Wilson Combat that currently serves as my nightstand gun. And if the police take it after it gets done saving my life and the lives of my family, they can keep the damn thing for all I care, and it will still be the best money I've ever spent. Moreover, do you own your stuff or does your stuff own you?

On the issue of legality or how it might play out if you have to shoot someone using a gun like that: My first priority is to make sure I'm alive to face whatever comes next (criminal/civil trial). To that end, I will make any REASONABLE modification that improves my chance of surviving the gun fight. This includes REASONABLE mods to the fire control group. I believe a good shoot is a good shoot and you won't suddenly be sent to prison for the sole reason that you modified your gun. I think a competent attorney can counter whatever might come up. Note that I said "reasonable." Obviously if you lighten your trigger to 2 lbs and then ND into somebody, that's probably not going to go too well for you in court. And note this doesn't mean that a prosecutor won't come after you for something like that gun. Like I said, I believe a competent attorney can counter things and I'm willing to accept the consequences if he can't. YMMV.

BTW, my current carry gun has a red dot and an Apex trigger in it, like that gun has. It does not have a comp or the tacticool slide...or the upgraded barrel...or the mag extension...I'd love to see how the guy conceals that thing. My suspicion is that it's a range gun but perhaps you have more info on it/him.


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It's not about printing. And if you ask any experienced person, nobody cares about printing. Only noobs do.

Clearly, your head is not in the right place right now. You are watching way too much of Jonathan and probably not enough of someone a bit more practical like this kid right here:



You might notice he has all kinds of cool ***** on the table there. One of them happens to be a plain old glock too.

The difference is his head isn't wrapped around all the unicorn fur you can attach to your gun. He is focused squarely upon building skills.

Pimping out your pistol in the way that is shown in your OP costs about the same as 12k rounds of ammo.

I suggest refocus your obsession on that, on your SKILLS rather than all the ***** you think your gun needs.

Out of the box, Glocks are ready to do just about ANYTHING for personal/home self defense. Right out of the box.

And while it can use a better pair of sights and a couple of "minor" personal tweaks, what your guns really needs is a good YOU.
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Thank you all for your insightful thoughts and advices, especially from L84CABO and caliberetta. It is clear to me now that the pistol in the OP is nothing more than what it should be- a range toy. Furthermore, it is even more clear to me now that my initial thoughts of carrying that was nothing more than a moment of passion. I had never entered nor throughly researched the custom Glock realm until I saw Jonathanís video from Tactical-Toolbox. The moment I saw all the stuff you can do to your Glock I thought, ďwow, how cool would it be to carry this and that!Ē But never actually thought about the practicality of the modifications. Now that passion has passed, Iím going back to my oem G19 with night sights and Inforce aplc. The discussions in this thread were eye-opening and gave me a much clearer picture of what a carry gun should be like. Thank you all again, I really appreciate your insights!


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