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Old 03-28-2019, 9:58 AM
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I would like to hear from those who have them, what is your likes and dislikes? Thinking about getting one.
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I don't own one but I've shot a couple of them they're good, solid and pretty accurate. 9mm carbines are especially great if you already have a 9mm handgun since ammo is easy. If I didn't already have other 9mm carbines I'd consider picking one up.
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I have had mine for around 6-8 months. I love it. Eats new brass, reloads and aluminium. I have a Vortex red dot on it with the high riser, I co witness the iron sights. I do wish there are more aftermarket accessories. The ones I have seen are OK, nothing special.
Easy take down for cleaning. You can easily hit out to 100 yards. That should be enough distance to hold off a handful of zombies.
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I picked one up last summer. They are fun little carbines, that are cheap to feed. I like that it can take a Glock or Ruger magazine. Very low recoil as would be expected from a 9mm out of a pretty hefty little gun. They are not light-weight, but the breakdown feature is nice. My daughter was working transition drills between the PC carbine and her Glock and the interchangeable magazine is a nice feature.

People complain that there is no reason to use a pistol caliber in a carbine. Is it necessary? No. Is it a fun little gun, yeah absolutely.
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If you like the 10/22 you'll like the PC as well. Lots of similarities. Using Glock magazines is a great plus and I think it's only a matter of time before adapters for other brands of magazines will be available. A really fun plinker with a red dot on it. Good luck.
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Love it! Zero flaws with 180 rounds through it. Only complaint is the picatinny on the bottom of the fore end is useless more or less because of the integrated bipod stud. Would be a perfect place for a tac light but the bipod stud is in the way. Could be cut flush and relocated a few inches reward with an aftermarket stud, but Ruger should have addressed the design flaw in house
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I think everyone should have one.
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I have had mine for around 6-8 months. I love it. Eats new brass, reloads and aluminium. I have a Vortex red dot on it with the high riser, I co witness the iron sights.
How tha hell do you co-witness with a “high riser”? I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on mine that sits flat to the rail & the irons are barely visible at the bottom of the optic.
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You may try to look at this thread. It has everything you want to know.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...411816&page=58
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How tha hell do you co-witness with a “high riser”? I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on mine that sits flat to the rail & the irons are barely visible at the bottom of the optic.
Works fine on mine. The red dot came with a low and high mount. The high mount has enough clearance that I can see the iron sights. I have shot with both without issue.
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Same set up as Vino. Get one. It's just flat out fun, inexpensive and is a great add to any collection. Not sure I'd call it heavy but its beefy as in solid and a great rifle.
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Haven't shot mine much (yet!), but it's a sweet shooter, pretty much a no brainer if you think it'll fit in your collection! I just wanted something that would shoot the same caliber as existing handguns, with a bit more "oomph" from a longer barrel. Fills that slot perfectly.

Haven't seen anyone complaining about anything specific, the guy in the next bay over was test firing his as well, he thought it had more recoil than expected (I didn't even notice any at all...), but we both agreed it was a good purchase!

I'm looking forward to getting a red dot dialed in, and probably try a scope to see how far out I can shoot it accurately - my "low resolution optics" (Mk 1 eyeball) were spot on with the irons. It's a "keeper" IMO.
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read away...over 2000 posts about the Ruger PCC

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1411816

Buy one, you will like it. IMHO it is fine out of the box with optics of choice. I use the Primary Arms 2.5X Prism on mine
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read away...over 2000 posts about the Ruger PCC

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1411816

Buy one, you will like it. IMHO it is fine out of the box with optics of choice. I use the Primary Arms 2.5X Prism on mine
^This. I've got one and like it too.
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Works fine on mine. The red dot came with a low and high mount. The high mount has enough clearance that I can see the iron sights. I have shot with both without issue.
i think you are confusing the term "co-witness". co-witness means that the red dot is superimposed ontop of the iron sights.

so that means the red dot should be sitting right on top of the front sight when looking through the rear sight.



with what you typed above, i feel like you mean to say that you can still use your iron sights through the empty gap on the riser.
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you should get a third since they just released a FDE colored one.
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The only minor complaint I have is that it is a bit heavy for what it is. Not a lot in term's of after market support, yet. It really needs a fiber optic front sight, and I agree the forearm sling stud should have been moved back about a 1/2 inch or so.

Runs fine, I haven't had a chance to do any mag dump's with it yet. I don't think it'll be an issue though a lot of people run their's a lot harder than I have been able to so far.
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I wish they would bring one out in .45acp.
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Turners has em on sale for 539! Spring sale. I'm tempted to get one myself.
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Good little rifle. No complaints. Have about 1.5k rounds through mine with no cleaning - and no malfunctions.
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Love mine! Lot of aftermarket accessories coming available. Check out Taccom.
They have, mag well, extended bolt. over size safety, comp. Several new forarms are now available. Setting mine up for USPSA and got another for home defense.
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Sacramento Turner’s had them for grand opening price of $429.

The trigger needs to be cleaned up and can be done relatively easily (without touching the sear contact points).

A little heavy, but the more I play with it, the more I like it. (Having Glock magazines from the ‘80s doesn’t hurt. )
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Reliable, fun to shoot. Cool survival type rifle taking glock mags. If you can take apart a 10/22 then you can handle one of these. Seems even simpler than a 10/22. Downside is kinda ugly IMO and heavier than it looks like it should be.
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I own one. Over the past year I’ve never had a jam or malfunction. I shoot a lasered 135 yard steel silhouette with mine. Thats with WWB from Walmart.



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Fun carbine. Only shot 100 rounds 0 issues. Have a trs25, and galloway precision charging handle and extended mag release. Easy to clean and as accurate as can be with me behind it
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Love mine. To me, the Ruger PC Carbine is the Glock carbine that Glock never made.
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Love mine have around 3000 rounds through it and no flaws with glock mags. It is fun, well built and accurate to 100 yds (haven't tried farther) The one problem is not enough time to spend at the range with it.
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i think you are confusing the term "co-witness". co-witness means that the red dot is superimposed ontop of the iron sights.

so that means the red dot should be sitting right on top of the front sight when looking through the rear sight.



with what you typed above, i feel like you mean to say that you can still use your iron sights through the empty gap on the riser.
++ What scratch said.
With a low mount I can see the irons through the gap, but there is no way I am going to be able to absolute cowitness my TRS25 with the irons.

OP regarding your original question. I actually enjoy the PC more than my 10/22, and I think it is because I am really liking the peep sights that come with the PC.

I have a CZ Scorpion carbine, and I just don't get a good cheek weld when using my irons especially with the awful fin grips. But the Ruger PC feels very natural and I can pick up my sights right away. The trigger on the Ruger is much better than the clunky trigger on the CZ.

The recoil isn't bad, but it is more than what I would expect from a 9mm carbine of its weight. There isn't a lot of muzzle lift, but it does pop back into my shoulder directly. For lack of a better term, it is almost snappy when it recoils with 115 grain S&B ammo. Again it isn't bad at all in terms of recoil, just more than you would think there should be.

Great gun overall. I'm really enjoying it.

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Father has one and I fell in love with it. We were plinking 2" targets at 100 yards with a red dot like it was nothing. Very surprised how easy it was. Only complaint I had was the charging handle kept rattling loose after a few magazines. Might have to make modifications to keep on it on there.
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Love mine. To me, the Ruger PC Carbine is the Glock carbine that Glock never made.
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A Glock pistol w/the PC carbine is a great combo. I've got this pair loaded and ready to use in my SecureIt quick access gun locker w/an extra mag available in my bedroom at home. There's also a fully loaded Magpul 870 w/an extra strip of shells in there too.
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i think you are confusing the term "co-witness". co-witness means that the red dot is superimposed ontop of the iron sights.

so that means the red dot should be sitting right on top of the front sight when looking through the rear sight.



with what you typed above, i feel like you mean to say that you can still use your iron sights through the empty gap on the riser.
I stand corrected. Yes, I see the irons below the red dot.
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If you like the 10/22 you'll like the PC as well. Lots of similarities. Using Glock magazines is a great plus and I think it's only a matter of time before adapters for other brands of magazines will be available. A really fun plinker with a red dot on it. Good luck.
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I don't think Ruger makes a 10mm pistol to share mags with. Unless they want to scrap that idea all together and just make it Glock compatible right out of the box. This rifle in 10mm would really be something.
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