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Old 05-23-2019, 4:22 AM
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Living in San Diego and having the recent homeless population absolutely explode I was wondering what the opinions are about using constant harassment by addicts and mentally ill on the streets as a CCW good cause?
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That was part of my GC for San Berdoo. Homeless are dangerous, they've hit, stabbed, punched, knocked out, men AND women near my office.
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Living in San Diego and having the recent homeless population absolutely explode I was wondering what the opinions are about using constant harassment by addicts and mentally ill on the streets as a CCW good cause?
When I lived in San Diego, CCW was out of the question. I don't know about now but that reason probably wont fly.
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Old 05-23-2019, 6:55 AM
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Too broad.... Lots of homeless...
Young, old, sane, insane...

That's like saying you are afraid of the weather.... homeless is a very broad term...

Homeless don't get arrested for breaking many laws... they are now protected.. like the state poppy...

Call the cops and they might get moved along...
Shooting up- nodding off- they might get moved along
Pooping on the sidewalk... maybe moved along...


So if the police don't officially find them a threat, why would that work for a CHL?


Can you articulate why you want a CCW?
If broad, then self defense should be OK
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If you do use this as your good cause be sure to include numbers. Statistics of how much the homeless population has grown and statistics on the crimes that have also risen.

You may want to include issues like prop 47 also.

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Old 05-23-2019, 7:16 AM
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You may also want to post this in the ccw County forum. There may be others who have experience with this approach.
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"For self defense against criminals that may try to harm me and/or my family".
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Old 05-23-2019, 7:42 AM
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It's not the criminals you need to worry about here, it's the nuts.
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Since you asked specifically about San Diego, what better resource than the San Diego County Gun Owners? Check out what the organization offers regarding CCW and "good cause" reasons. While you're at it, joining is a good idea. The SDCGO were fundamental at bringing CCW change to San Diego, as well as numerous other actions to benefit San Diego 2A rights.
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Living in San Diego and having the recent homeless population absolutely explode I was wondering what the opinions are about using constant harassment by addicts and mentally ill on the streets as a CCW good cause?
You can refer to the changed criminal situation, I assume. Using homeless rates is probably useless, similar to using the increased number of EBT card holders. Even if your issuing agency officer unofficially concurs with your way of thinking, they wouldn't be able to leverage it officially.
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Homeless should be able to get CCW's since they don't have a locked building to store their firearms.
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Of course being in the vicinity of drug addicts,alchohalics,mentally Ill,skid row bums is a great reason for CCW!
Thats exactly why big city types will deny you that right !

that said the best policy is to state away from these lazy derelics! You have no idea how valuable they are until you protect yourself by harming one of these willing victims of democrat policy's .

FWIW even if you stay away that doesn't guarantee your right to continue living as this case proves.
https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/lo...ele/542716002/

"A homeless man accused of murdering a Ventura father as he dined inside a beachside restaurant had a not-guilty plea entered on his behalf Friday.

Ventura Superior Court Judge Dino also increased bail for Jamal Jackson, 49, to $3 million.."
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try not to target a specific group of people.

just say "self defense"
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As a group, I think the illegal border jumpers are much more dangerous than the homeless.
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try not to target a specific group of people.

just say "self defense"
This. I don't think it's a good idea to say that you want a CCW because there are a large number of homeless people. it paints you as bigoted against a certain class of people.

Now, something you could say is that according to the crime statistics published by the California AG's office, there has been a considerable uptick in violent crimes in pretty much all of California over the past few years, which has also corresponded with an increase in populations of transient peoples who may behave unpredictably in public settings. You see how I turned that around so that it makes you sound much more unbiased and fact-based, while still basically saying exactly the same thing?

https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/crime-statistics/
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As good a cause as any. Where I live, the only good cause is first name rhymes with "Cheyenne" and last name rhymes with "Weinstein"
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Bawhahaha
Wish it could.
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As a group, I think the illegal border jumpers are much more dangerous than the homeless.
Well that kind of depends. A lot of those jumpers are migrant farm workers that the farmers here rely upon to get their crops to market. Unfortunately, the visa system for those workers is rife with corruption, and it may take years and lots of mordida to get the visa to come here legally. I see lots of these folks, and I can tell you, they are not a crime problem, certainly not like the homeless who will steal anything not bolted down. (Yeah, we have lots of them too, and a relatively high burglary rate because of it, since many are addicts.)
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It's not the criminals you need to worry about here, it's the nuts.
The criminals in this state work at the Capitol.

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As a group, I think the illegal border jumpers are much more dangerous than the homeless.
Isn't there a larger than average veteran homeless population in SD? They are probably all trained to use the weapons and have the means to take it from you. I would guess most migrants might not have seen a gun from the trigger end if they are running from their country that don't have 2A.
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Alone that wouldn't work, a high crime rate in your area perhaps, I highly recommend going to one of the local CCW seminars, learning what will fly as good cause, thinking about what you can document, and meeting with folks that can help you write your good cause statement. Success rate is very high when done properly.
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I work a lot down town as a cable tech working out of the utility boxes on the sides of the street. The homeless like to use these boxes as shelter, places to sit, and poop behind. One in particular is in a really bad spot across from an encampment on 17th street. I’ve been told to leave by the homeless or I would get jumped. I Would have really liked to have some protection other than a pocket knife in that situation. Called my boss and was told to just be careful. Ridiculous.
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Some guy was stabbed to death at a bus stop in downtown San Diego. It was a "random" killing as the perp didn't know the victim.

We are getting more of these types of crimes.
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