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We won two pages ago when the dude stopped replying to all logical/common sense answers. |
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And like I said, I'm not very good with computers. It just took a bit of effort. Do you want me to post it to prove it to you? Or... Also, I don't want you to think I'm being threatening, I could PM you. I'm not the kind of guy to do such silly things. I was just curious if it could be done by the average joe from your first "challenge" post... |
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Think about if you had posted a picture of your ride on here with your license plate, then I call your local LE and say "I just saw this guy driving down the freeway waving a handgun about." Its just a tiny bit of info that you think means nothing, but in the end can lead up to some bull**** for your to deal with. |
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Seriously, what does "covering" the serial #'s of handguns in pics truly acc...
What if a nasty person takes the serial from your 80% lower and submits a voluntary registration. Them that dishonest person waits and later on reports that their gun was stolen. Next, while at the range you have to explain to some off duty officer that your EBR does not shoot boolits at puppies and rainbows. The rookie Officer Tackleberry decides your rifle is a bit too evil and so confiscates to "let the DOJ sort it out". Months later you are arrested for stealing the original nasty persons alleged stolen lower, registered to him...
/cue tinfoil hat, but possible...?
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I missed that exclusion, my apologies! Interesting topic indeed.
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Just like the many of us opposed to registration correct? I'll tell you this, Sac Sheriff watches this forum and many of us carry concealed. Our Serial numbers of what we carry is in their database and printed on our CCW/LTC. I don't need them snooping on my posts so easily for no other reason than that is my choice.
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The Serial number is just another piece of the puzzle, other pieces already identify who you are in less than 5 minutes.
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I don't need your serial to know what your name and address is. All I need is your username here to track that info down. With that info and your serial I can report your gun stolen with the authorities. Your position that reporting stolen firearms has to be done in person is false. The ATF only requests that you call, but one can simply send in form 3110.11 and many cities have online reporting tools. Furthermore, there are several unofficial databases that won't get the police to your door, but might prevent a sale from going through (such as hotgunz.com) if checked by the buyer (reporting done online and effectively anonymously).
That's not even taking into account people looking up through federal databases. By law those databases have restricted access, but in practice cops use them inappropriately and hackers are much better with computers than the government. Not to mention that in this country, personal choice IS a valid reason. |
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I'm pretty sure this one is not in a database... 1938 contract run. Family Heirloom. Last edited by missiontrails; 03-27-2013 at 3:05 PM.. |
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What I want or do not want to reveal about what I have, either partial or full info is my choice and my choice only.
I do not need a justification or reason for any of it. If you have a problem with it, you can go pound sand. |
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That's it right there.
I'm reading some of the "crazy/paranoid" ideas of things that could happen if someone was able to produce any type of "important" data using a gun's serial number... people my not have direct access to these databases, but what about social engineering? There's electronic security and physical security. Somehow, Someway someone could finagle information. Think of all the "hustle" going on out there that we dont know about until it makes the news, http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ide&id=8958578 - Now, I dont even want to buy gift cards! I'm on board with "do whatever you want". But the moment someone figures out how to jeopardize your privacy, there will be a lot of "I told you so" going around. |
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If you were truly trying to find an answer to a Simple question, You would not put down other people when they respond
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True - some people use their email address for their user name. ALL BAD.
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With your serial number, I could do the following if didn't care about breaking the law:
Fill out and mail a "no longer in posession" form with DOJ from your local post office, voiding your registration Fill out and mail a VOLREG form from a post office not local to you, transferring registration to someone else ... then have that someone else report to PD that you stole it back. Fill out an OPLAW form with DOJ to transfer it to one of your family members without your knowledge Report the gun stolen Report the gun as lost Report to the manufacturer that the gun is destroyed (ending warrenty) Report to DOJ that the gun is destroyed, making it hard to sell later Finish an 80% with your serial number, then frame you in a crime Match your forum name with your real name, then make it "known" to your employer that you own guns. A few folks here would lose their jobs this way. ... a few more... |
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You wrote all that out, when in fact all that one would have to do is simply ask the seller? If you are a buyer they take seriously you will get an answer.
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Are you a divorce lawyer?
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My personal opinion is that when people call those who oppose public registries of gun owners paranoid, perhaps they aren't paranoid enough.
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As an aside, why can I call 411 and get a listed number but I can't get the same number online without joining Intellius, SearchUSA or some other group? What do YOU use?
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the answer is obvious.
demonstrate their 3l33t skilZ on their serial broken copy of photoshop.
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Sure the likelihood of shenanigans is very low, but not impossible - and actually highly advisable to take into consideration. Yet the issue brought forth most importantly here is respect for privacy. I find it odd, especially with more individualist and libertarian minded people, that some are having a problem with the very simple understanding of that and respecting it, even if not agreeing personally.
What is the argument really? Someone wants to keep that information private on a public forum and some here won't acknowledge that as a private choice and instead go on and on about paranoia schemes and yada yada yada tin-foil hat, etc. etc., explain yourself, why this not this or that. It is irrelevant what the motivation is. Respect it. If you don't care personally when you post online for sale or whatever, that's fine too. Your choice, your reasons. No no! I must prove that person wrong! I must win that I don't agree that they have anything to be concerned about or any reasons for it! I will convince them to publish this for all to see! ..as far as the buying and selling point. If they won't give that to you and you say forget about it, then that is the marketplace and if the seller is having an issue selling it then, that remedies itself organically. Quote:
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I'm going to re-iterate this point for those that do NOT know...
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I would expect no less from a lawyer.
Last edited by xrMike; 03-28-2013 at 2:12 PM.. |
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