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Old 10-07-2019, 12:16 PM
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Here is the mags available from Brownells
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:33 PM
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Just saw this one come on sale. Haven't read from anyone how good they are, but it looks great on paper. Hand lapped barrel, spiral fluted bolt, carbon fiber stock, and it looks like a real beauty. Plus, I believe there are Sportsman's Warehouse in CA:

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...gnum/p/1529190
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Old 10-10-2019, 6:00 AM
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That C.A. rifle would be great for your orthopedic surgeons bank account.

10lbs with a little brake wouldnt be my first choice for a target rifle. But then again im getting soft lol.
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Old 10-10-2019, 9:31 AM
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Wimp!

I don't know that size matters a lot, it is a 3 chamber brake. The bad thing, if true, is I heard their brakes were machined right into the barrel instead of screwed on. I guess they do that to look cool? I'd rather be able to replace the brake with a big tank brake if I thought it recoiled too hard, and also to screw on a silencer. I have seen on forums that other CA brakes are very effective, so maybe it won't be that bad.
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Old 10-10-2019, 3:27 PM
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Yeah I put some rounds through an older Savage with the heavy adjustable chassis and big brake. The added weight was much welcome. I think C.A. should have went with a heavier barrel and heavier stock.

Although at 10lbs with the right scope it might be a decent hunting/target unicorn everyone has been chasing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 3:32 PM
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Curious to see if the C.A. bolt/action is any beefier than the normal Savage and 700s.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:23 AM
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Hubba hubba, my semi-local Sportsman's Warehouse has a Christensen Arms Mesa Long Range in stock! Think Ima go feel it up tomorrow.

Really, for under $1500 a rifle that looks this nice, carbon fiber stock with adjustable cheekpiece, and hand lapped barrel has no competition in the marketplace that I know of. I can probably figure out a way to add a couple pounds of lead to it if I need to.

Of course, it's idiotic to have a .338 Lapua when I can't even find a place nearby to stretch the legs of my .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. Which means I might have a .338 Lapua tomorrow!

Damn you OP for starting this thread.

edit: Doh! I should've read the ad I posted. WRT the muzzle brake it says: "features a seamless removable side-baffle muzzle brake".

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Nice that Savage has a 30 inch barrel.
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What is the consensus of the Remington 700 Police in .338 LM? I've been under the impression that a 26 inch barrel isn't enough, but the DTA .338 option is 26 inch also.

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Old 10-15-2019, 7:11 AM
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26" is the barrel length of most of the guns under discussion in this thread. It's more or less the default length for a factory 338 Lapua. The Europeans seem to like 27".

Quickload gives ~80 fps going from 26" to 30" for a 90 grains of Retumbo and 300 hybrid load.

A factory 26" Savage action and barrel in 338 Lapua currently holds the ELR world record, so it's probably enough.

That being said, custom built dedicated ELR rigs typically have longer and heavier barrels. That extra 80 fps is gone before the first 100 yards are covered, but the extra weight slows barrel heating and makes the gun easier to control. Hinged stocks help with cleaning as well as getting the long barrels into readily available gun cases.
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Old 10-15-2019, 2:10 PM
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Care to elaborate on the "extra 80 fps is gone before the first 100 yards" ?
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Care to elaborate on the "extra 80 fps is gone before the first 100 yards" ?
The bullet loses more than 80fps in the first 100yds of flight.

Velocity is temporary.
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Exactly.

On the other end, scaling to time of flight, 80 fps at the muzzle with a 300 hybrid at 2000 yards is like moving the target 44 yards closer.

I have several 2k+ guns, all have 30 or 32" barrels, but 26" works just fine when starting out.
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The bullet loses more than 80fps in the first 100yds of flight.

Velocity is temporary.
BC is forever.
Yes but I dont understand you can start at 3080 fps and before it gets to 100 yards its the same speed as if you started at 3000 fps.
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Yes but I dont understand you can start at 3080 fps and before it gets to 100 yards its the same speed as if you started at 3000 fps.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make.

The point was, at distance, the difference 80 fps makes is smaller than generally assumed. Basically it's like moving the target a little, but not much, closer.
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Old 10-16-2019, 7:14 AM
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At 2000 yards 80 FPS is equivalent to about 100+ inches of vertical using a 300 grain OTM.
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Yeah Id rather have the extra 80fps
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100" at 2000 yards is another 1/10 turn on a firing solution that requires 2 full revolutions of the turret.

It's not a big enough reason to pay more for a tarted up Savage instead of the RPR. The RPR shoots far better out of the box. I enjoy my Savage rifles, but getting them to operate like the RPR takes work that there are not a lot of sources for.

I need another long range mule and am shopping for another RPR.
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100" at 2000 yards is another 1/10 turn on a firing solution that requires 2 full revolutions of the turret.

It's not a big enough reason to pay more for a tarted up Savage instead of the RPR. The RPR shoots far better out of the box. I enjoy my Savage rifles, but getting them to operate like the RPR takes work that there are not a lot of sources for.
Sorry dude you totally lost me.
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100" at 2000 yards is another 1/10 turn on a firing solution that requires 2 full revolutions of the turret.
So what you are saying is in the grand scheme of things, what's 5 MOA (or a little over 1mil) when you're already dialing a bunch vs choosing a better rifle?

Yeah, 80fps is not worth it over-all.
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Sorry dude you totally lost me.
He's saying that it's only another 1.4 mils of elevation dial when you are already dialing 20+ mils.
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It's actually even more horrifying than a guy with a factory 338 Lapua Savage action and barrel setting the ELR world record.

The guy had all his fingers smashed off in an industrial accident. The one he's using as his trigger finger was his ring finger. They rebuilt it some with good pieces from the others and moved it.

I'm guessing he's not a trigger drama queen either.
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He's saying that it's only another 1.4 mils of elevation dial when you are already dialing 20+ mils.
Yeah drop is the easy part. I dont see the difference between a "tarted up" savage vs an RPR. They are both optioned out budget rifles. But savage offers a heavy 30" barrel now.

Like Ive said before I wouldnt choose either for a cartridge like a 338 Lapua.
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1.4 mils and 80 FPS isn't important to most shooters but it is important to competitive shooters.
If you reload most opt for the 338 Lapua Ackley Improved for a little extra velocity and others will throat it 0.175 - 0.190 longer for even more velocity.
You start off with a measly 2750 FPS and end up with 3050 fps as your best accuracy.
And speaking of industrial accidents the picture is of my right hand. The big patch is two toes from my left foot that were used as donors.
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I don't remember hearing about that particular injury. I've only known you a few years and it's been surgery to fuse vertebrae in the neck, a 12 gauge into the guts, and a kidney removed. I used to race motorcycles and you have me covered on the xray game.

I think we'll all take 80 fps when we can get it for free. How much we'll pay is another question. I pay $40 for an extra 4" on my ELR barrels. I don't pay for the next 4" because even with a folding stock it won't fit in the case that fits across the back seat of my truck.

80 fps is about what double based powders are worth in many cartridges. I keep relearning that lesson. It's great until an unexpected temperature change.

I have more than my share of improved and necked down cartridges. They're definitely not recommended for first rifles or new hand loaders.

In the context of this thread, selecting a first 338 Lapua rifle to use as is, I don't think just going with the longest barrel is the best approach.

As far as competitive shooting goes, I remember usually beating you at ELR.
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Yeah drop is the easy part. I dont see the difference between a "tarted up" savage vs an RPR. They are both optioned out budget rifles. But savage offers a heavy 30" barrel now.

Like Ive said before I wouldnt choose either for a cartridge like a 338 Lapua.
I have several Savages I've tarted up for ELR. One is currently chambered in 33xc, some of the others have been through a few 338 Lapua based wildcats.

Those Savages and the RPR wind up at about the same place, but the RPR only took a barrel and a trigger. Neither are really needed to get started.

The 30" Savage is basically a varmint contour, it's not considered heavy for purpose built long range rifles.

The RPR isn't a chassis gun, it's the next evolutionary step past that.
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