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Bought some 223 brass. Ended up being swadged!! How hard is it to process these?

What do I need to get it done?
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Old 12-08-2019, 6:18 PM
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Almost all 223/5.56 brass needs to be swaged to remove the crimp. Dillon has a the super swage 600
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Pretty sure I’m the seller. It was Speer plated brass and as far as I know it was .223 but I wasn’t aware it was crimped (and plan on talking to the OP as soon as we can set up a time).
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I have a bunch of Federal .223 LE that has a tight crimp on it, the Win. 223 LE had a light crimp, so much so that it did not need to be swaged. The RCBS swage tool that fits in the press is the cheapest way out and works fine, the Dillon I like better. A primer pocket gage helps to prevent over swaging and making loose primer pockets.
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Buy a rcbs military crimp remover and either chuck it up in a drill or your favorite case prep station

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Dillon Super Swager is the best on the market. I have tried many different tools and it beats them all
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ordering the Dillon 600 today.

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Buy a rcbs military crimp remover and either chuck it up in a drill or your favorite case prep station
I tried one of those, didn't work for me. The press mounted version was A-OK.
When I got an opportunity to buy a lightly used Dillon, I went for it. Very nice unit.
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Old 12-09-2019, 8:54 AM
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For the love of God, if anyone reading this does decide to go with one of those cutter style crimp removers, please watch how much material you remove. I’ve gotten brass with half the primer pocket missing. You don’t need to go that far with it.
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Bought some 223 brass. Ended up being swadged!! How hard is it to process these?

What do I need to get it done?
If you have a rocket-ship case mouth deburring tool, a couple of turns of the pointy end will take the crimp off. Don't go overboard; try a twist or two and see if a primer will seat (you can use a spent primer to test if you don't want to [potentially] waste a live primer.) If it doesn't seat without fiddling (or not at all), give it another twist or two. You'll get a feel for how much you have to do pretty quickly.

Other alternatives are a dedicated swaging press, a swaging kit that mounts on a standard press, or a handheld primer pocket cutting reamer. Probably a few others I don't know about as well.

Oh, and just to be clear, the pockets are crimped; you need to swage or cut the crimp from the primer pocket.
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I have had the Dillon 600 for several years and works great.

I just picked up a Franklin Arsenal Swager and have to say works pretty slick once you get it dialed in.

Here is a YouTube video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6C0mcE6Dtk
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I have had the Dillon 600 for several years and works great.

I just picked up a Franklin Arsenal Swager and have to say works pretty slick once you get it dialed in.

Here is a YouTube video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6C0mcE6Dtk

shoot----I like the looks of this one over the Dillon. I like the vertical component. Looks like it would be quicker----oh wait----rifle prep, nothing is quick and that shouldn't be the point.
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Old 12-09-2019, 6:55 PM
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I use this one.
https://youtu.be/ggnJg8dngeU

Every winter I do a two gallon bucket. 308 or 223.

I use these guages after swaging.
https://ballistictools.com/store/ori...-pocket-gauges

DO NOT try and check each brass after each swage. It takes for ever. After swaging I just check them all at once. All the ones that fail just place off to the side. Swage again. Check again. If it fails again throw it away.

I had the sand down the large primer one. It was checking ok but primers were loose.
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I've got one of these things(RCBS). It's a little slow, but for under 40 bucks, I like it.

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I've got one of these things(RCBS). It's a little slow, but for under 40 bucks, I like it.

A little slow is an understatement. Mine sticks to the brass and I got to really muscle the handle to get it out. On a coupla hunerd cases, its sucks.
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I got rid of my RCBS unit for the same reason. The Dillon is so much better
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I have the RCBS. It works fine. I donít shoot so much 223 that itís an issue. Garage time is quality time. And Iíve gotten enough expensive tools speeding up my reloading that itís threatening to reduce my garage time unless I shoot more. And who has time for that! .

Rifle brass prep is just slow like bhilliker said.
Do the slow stuff slow and the fast stuff fast and be sure to enjoy the process once in a while.

But that Frankford arsenal thing looks slick. Depending on price . . .






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If you have a rocket-ship case mouth deburring tool, a couple of turns of the pointy end will take the crimp off. Don't go overboard; try a twist or two and see if a primer will seat (you can use a spent primer to test if you don't want to [potentially] waste a live primer.) If it doesn't seat without fiddling (or not at all), give it another twist or two. You'll get a feel for how much you have to do pretty quickly.


Oh, and just to be clear, the pockets are crimped; you need to swage or cut the crimp from the primer pocket.
What i have been using for 21 years attached to a drill just a quick hit is all thats needed to remove the crimp.No issues with loose primers or taking too much material.
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I just stick a counter sink in a drill and go to down. Gets them done in seconds.
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I just chuck up a drill bit and go at it. Works fine.
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A little slow is an understatement. Mine sticks to the brass and I got to really muscle the handle to get it out. On a coupla hunerd cases, its sucks.
If you wet tumble. A drop of oil on the pin works great.
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I've got about 300 pieces ready to load with no swage. I've got about 1300 pieces that are sized and trimmed needing to be swaged. I'm going to get all of it ready then got to town on some loading. Rifle case prep will be my filler time between shooting and running pistol. I tend to get ahead on pistol rounds so can use that time for rifle case prep. Thanks everyone---another task under the belt and new time killer!
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I think there's some mixup with the meanings in the OP. Crimped primer pockets means the edge of the pocket is pinched in, indications are either a concentric punched in ring around the pocket, or 4 pinch points on the rim. Swaging is displacing metal & enlarging the pocket, essentially the reverse of a crimp. Reaming is cutting away metal.

So if OP has a bunch of swaged brass...then load away. If however, he actually means to say he has crimped brass, then yeah it's an extra step in the process.

Incidentally, there is also crimped 9mm brass so it's not always just rifle rounds that need more work.
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I bought the Franklin Arsenal unit a couple of months ago and just got the time to set it up this morning. Set-up took about 5 minutes, I took 3 minutes longer than I should have just screwing around with it. Nice thing is that the handle can be turned 180 if you want to in case that is easier on you. Works well.
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Incidentally, there is also crimped 9mm brass so it's not always just rifle rounds that need more work.
.45ACP as well.
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The dillon super swager is great. fast processing and a good investment for picking up military style brass. I've used it on lots of handgun brass.
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.45ACP as well.


Any chance it could open spp 45 to lpp without damaging the brass too much?


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For those who have a Hornady Projector. Hornady makes a really nice large rifle & small rifle crimp removal swage for it's press. The Dillon is nice but slow, the Projector press mounted one is way faster.
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I think there's some mixup with the meanings in the OP. Crimped primer pockets means the edge of the pocket is pinched in, indications are either a concentric punched in ring around the pocket, or 4 pinch points on the rim. Swaging is displacing metal & enlarging the pocket, essentially the reverse of a crimp. Reaming is cutting away metal.

So if OP has a bunch of swaged brass...then load away. If however, he actually means to say he has crimped brass, then yeah it's an extra step in the process.

Incidentally, there is also crimped 9mm brass so it's not always just rifle rounds that need more work.

Hum---ok I was not aware of two different concerns hear, swaged versus crimped. Going to say these are most likely crimped from looking at them. Was unaware there were differences as I have mentioned I am new to rifle. Now----this is concerning as I bought the Dillon Swage tool. Hasn't arrived yet----hopefully this tool is good for the crimp?????
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Hum---ok I was not aware of two different concerns hear, swaged versus crimped. Going to say these are most likely crimped from looking at them. Was unaware there were differences as I have mentioned I am new to rifle. Now----this is concerning as I bought the Dillon Swage tool. Hasn't arrived yet----hopefully this tool is good for the crimp?????
Swage tool for removing crimp

I used the RCBS press mounted tool, now use a primer pocket reamer in a Hornady case prep trio.

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Any chance it could open spp 45 to lpp without damaging the brass too much?


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Sadly it did not. Even if it did, I don't think the labor would be worth it.

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Hum---ok I was not aware of two different concerns hear, swaged versus crimped. Going to say these are most likely crimped from looking at them. Was unaware there were differences as I have mentioned I am new to rifle.
Terminology problem here. Swaging is used to "fix" crimped brass.

Military ammo (and some commercial stuff as well) has the primers crimped (you'll normally see a ring indentation around the primer pocket) or staked (several indentations around the primer pocket.) This upsets the mouth of the primer pocket, making it smaller than the primer diameter, and is done to prevent the primer from backing out in arms that have less-than-ideal headspace.

If you reload, you may notice that a little more force is required to get the primer out (which is not a big deal, normally.) The problem, however, comes when trying to re-insert a new primer. Since the mouth of the pocket has been upset to increase resistance to keep the primer in place, it will also prevent a new primer from being inserted.

Solution? Re-form the primer pocket to remove the material that forms the constriction and bring the pocket walls back to a cylindrical shape. The most common two methods are reaming (cutting the constriction away) and swaging (pushing the constriction out of the way, i.e. using mechanical pressure to reform the pocket.)
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OK guys-----I got the Dillon 600. The brass, yes there was a ring around it ---seems to be a crimp. I used the tool on 3 pieces then primed them and it seemed to work well. Went ahead and processed all my brass. Have to run them through the wet tumbler again to get the lube off then I'm ready to start loading. I've got about 400 pieces of non crimped ready to go and about 1300 pieces of crimped pieces that will be ready after cleaning. I'd like to thank everyone for the tips. Got me squared away and all my brass is now processed. Happy trails gunners!
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