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Old 07-06-2019, 2:56 AM
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It’s bigger than Wayne. He is largely unimportant. He can be replaced. It’s about the health of the NRA and its future effectiveness.
I agree with this... that it's largely become all about Wayne is the root of the problem;the NRA was around LONG before Wayne, and hopefully will be around long after. The NRA needs a strong leader, just like any big organization, with many internal factions where lots of money is involved. Wayne consolidated power and has structured the board to facilitate his leadership. Wayne needs to step down to show its not about him, its about the organization, which is bigger than any one person. The board needs to become functional again; it must be re-organized, cut way down, and actually provide strong oversight starting with the nomination of a new leader. Life members need to start taking their responsibilities more seriously and stop electing clowns to the board like Karl Malone; board members who routinely miss board meetings should be thrown off the board (Marion Hammer); take the role seriously or don't accept the responsibility. If you don't have the skills and experience to sit on a board, don't run.

If you are an NRA life member, and all you do is back your dear leader Wayne, no questions asked... then you don't need a second amendment... You do as you are told.
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Old 07-06-2019, 7:54 AM
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You apparently know little about the VCDL and other groups that have been making progress on gun control laws and regulations only to see the NRA claim credit, in many cases opposing the efforts of the groups.

Restaurants & Bar bans were supported by the NRA in VA & other states despite actions by local state organizations to remove them. In Virginia the NRA was successful in stifling the bills to remove or alter those laws for several years. They continued to oppose them right up until the passage was certain, then they supported the bills.

Just in the last several weeks while the NRA was eating it's own tail the VCDL organized their members to get out to the Hampton town hall on guns and confronted Gov Blackface of VA and several of his aides and allies.

Most of these groups have several thousand of members yet they punch above their class.
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Old 07-06-2019, 7:57 AM
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I agree with this... that it's largely become all about Wayne is the root of the problem;the NRA was around LONG before Wayne, and hopefully will be around long after. The NRA needs a strong leader, just like any big organization, with many internal factions where lots of money is involved. Wayne consolidated power and has structured the board to facilitate his leadership. Wayne needs to step down to show its not about him, its about the organization, which is bigger than any one person. The board needs to become functional again; it must be re-organized, cut way down, and actually provide strong oversight starting with the nomination of a new leader. Life members need to start taking their responsibilities more seriously and stop electing clowns to the board like Karl Malone; board members who routinely miss board meetings should be thrown off the board (Marion Hammer); take the role seriously or don't accept the responsibility. If you don't have the skills and experience to sit on a board, don't run.

If you are an NRA life member, and all you do is back your dear leader Wayne, no questions asked... then you don't need a second amendment... You do as you are told.
Ive been around the NRA long enough to know, Wayne gets the job done, doesn't get tricked and cannot be bought off !
Since you are the real NRA expert here, Exactly who do you want to replace him and who did he replace?
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Old 07-06-2019, 8:18 AM
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Thatís a fair assessment, repoman. Iím not quite ready to blow the whole thing up without clear evidence of wrongdoing, but I agree that this doesnít look good. Iíd really like to see Wayne step up and address these issues so we can move forward, one way or another.
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Old 07-06-2019, 8:46 AM
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I donít want the opinion of a sycophant. Iím looking for objective evidence. The Bloomberg types donít have it. You donít have it.

Clearly you didnít read what I wrote. Iím asking for EVIDENCE. Evidence is not what your buddies have told you. Evidence is not a personal anecdote by a former board member. Thatís how logical, intelligent people make decisions.
Evidence is what Kestryll posted regarding the emails between the partys in question.
Maybe Kestryll is a sycophant too. Something you are no doubt an expert on. If you get my drift !
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Old 07-06-2019, 9:02 AM
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Blah blah blah someone said something mean about Wayne!!! Blah blah blah.
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Old 07-06-2019, 9:04 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcBbwVDcloY&t=94s
We missed the live speech by Wayne @ the NRA convention 2019 by poor planning!
Here is the speech which could be of interest to gun culture and anti Wayne democrat trolls as well.
View the comment section to see the attacks. Some pretending to helpful, others are more honest!
Peter Chestnut
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Ban gun's you stupid ****'s stop giving volatile people the means for mass murder.
This is the honest one ! others say join GOA,Wayne must go etc.etc. Go to posts of ONE TRICK PONY if you care to skip the comment section. He has used each one at different times in this thread or his now gone Python pal has!
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Old 07-06-2019, 9:04 AM
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I will no longer respond to anything you post, JA308. Itís clear what your position is and you have zero interest in discussing the issues like an intelligent adult. You repeatedly fabricate what other people say and twist it to fit your narrative. We know, Wayne is your hero. He can do nothing wrong in your eyes.

Iím more interested in the long term health of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment. If Wayne is above board, Iíll happily support him. If he isnít, he needs to go.

I know, per your usual tactic, you will make accusations about Bloomberg and fake news. You will fail to comprehend what most of us have been saying repeatedly. We donít want the NRA to fail.

As far as Kestryll goes, he isnít a sycophant. Itís clear you donít know what that means.
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Old 07-06-2019, 9:13 AM
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Ive been around the NRA long enough to know, Wayne gets the job done, doesn't get tricked and cannot be bought off !
Since you are the real NRA expert here, Exactly who do you want to replace him and who did he replace?
Pete Brownell would be a good choice. Look at one of the execs at the Second Amendment Foundation. One of the retired Officers of a gun company.

Wayne was more of a long term lease kinda guy according to reports of his deals with AckMac
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:22 AM
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I don’t want the opinion of a sycophant. I’m looking for objective evidence. The Bloomberg types don’t have it. You don’t have it.

Clearly you didn’t read what I wrote. I’m asking for EVIDENCE. Evidence is not what your buddies have told you. Evidence is not a personal anecdote by a former board member. That’s how logical, intelligent people make decisions.
Kestryll posted evidence and yet you choose to ignore or not address it. BTW Kestryll very well could be labled sycophant in that he posted facts. Which directly contradict the torch carrying, La Pierre head a stick types so prevalent on this thread.

Evidence by reputable news sites is not available at this time. Go do a web search and everything is from the swamp. The only real facts are the emails posted by Kestryll!
Personally I have fighting these commies before you were born and I know every trick they use to destroy freedom.

Friends if it comes from an ANTI SOURCE it has ZERO credibility !
examples,
Class warfare -- he spends too much on suits!
Class envy -- He makes too much money !
Not effective -- they didn't get rid of NFA 34 and other stupid, unrealistic talking points.
Sew division -- try make they NRA members turn on each other.
Propaganistic words and emotionally charged phrases to influence the reader or viewer, later contradicted by facts. See thread title as a perfect example !
This is not the entire list.

For the record ,NRA is 5.5 million members. Nearly all are normal, affluent, community members who would quit when the Molon Labe bunker types turn it to GOA.

Anyone too stupid or illiterate to know how these people operate is an embarrassment to the gun culture and obviously not a self identified member!

Has anyone watched the youtube and read the comments after Waynes speech? Dont bother they are exactly what ONE TRICK PONT and a few others have said !
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:37 AM
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Blah blah blah someone said something mean about Wayne!!! Blah blah blah.
As far as I am concerned, you are just an anti-gun libtard turd. I would have banned you from this forum 135 posts ago.
If I wanted to read or hear anti gun drivel I can turn on CNN or Bloomberg. I don't need to read posts from ******* like you on this forum.
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Old 07-06-2019, 5:50 PM
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As far as I am concerned, you are just an anti-gun libtard turd. I would have banned you from this forum 135 posts ago.
If I wanted to read or hear anti gun drivel I can turn on CNN or Bloomberg. I don't need to read posts from ******* like you on this forum.
Yes very well stated and he is not alone on this forum 😡Others who only claim to want facts are just a little more surreptitious in their quest to bring down effective principled leadership like Wayne LP has provided.
My Odessa you might want to be careful as some members here take it personally if you call them out,or stand with leadership.

One clue could be the avatar some people use !
If you get my drift!
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Pete Brownell? The president of Brownellís? Wasnít he a former member of the BOD?
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In the last couple of months he or should I say, Brownells bought ar15.com (not a move i agree with but I didn't own ar15.com and no one asked). He has also partnered with the ASA, American Suppressor Association, a newish group (2011) he is becoming involved with. Think NRA for Suppressors.

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And that TTAG article was nothing but innuendo and speculation as to why Brownell left the board.
When he specifically said it was to concentrate on his business.

Truthfully, most every article I have read on this is nothing but innuendo.

Open letters on FB are not evidence. Lawsuits are not evidence. Personal feelings are not evidence.

This all may end badly. For LaPierre, for the NRA, (and I stand by my assertion that if the NRA goes down, all other 2A groups will fall shortly thereafter.) and for us.

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Old 07-07-2019, 8:44 AM
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And that TTAG article was nothing but innuendo and speculation as to why Brownell left the board.
When he specifically said it was to concentrate on his business.

Truthfully, most every article I have read on this is nothing but innuendo.

Open letters on FB and not evidence. Lawsuits are not evidence. Personal feelings are not evidence.

This all may end badly. For LaPierre, for the NRA, (and I stand by my assertion that if the NRA goes down, all other 2A groups will fall shortly thereafter.) and for us.
Exactly and its smart, educated, NRA members like you that will keep the NRA strong and keep the effective leaders we voted for !

This is a failed internal attempt by North and the ad agency to take over the NRA and milk it dry while surrendering gun rights. Complicit with North and company are the democrat trolls on this board and other so called firearms blogs, forums etc.

Really a great analysis of Pete Brownell resignation letter.
I like how they said read between the lines, which really means, ignore the words and make up your own interpretation.
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In the last couple of months he or should I say, Brownells bought ar15.com (not a move i agree with but I didn't own ar15.com and no one asked). He has also partnered with the ASA, American Suppressor Association, a newish group (2011) he is becoming involved with. Think NRA for Suppressors.
Too late you've been exposed -- try changing your screen name and coming in under a different identity!
Although Kestryll will know !
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The only thing that is exposed is you are fine with Wayne Puke and his cronies burning down the NRA. Either you are like 99% of the NRA Members who are either ignorant of what is going on with the NRA (which is a design feature not a flaw) or you are willfully blind.

I have been pissed about the problems with the NRA for years. I only underestimated how bad it was and how lax or ninvolved the NRA BoD members are.

Someone mentioned that there is no proof only letters. Try taking a look at the 990 filings where it lists payments the payments to NRA BoD Members & Employees.

Here is also a link the lays out the NRA Financials. https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/530116130

Start of with this taster, from the extracts. In 2016 the NRA was operating a $40 million deficit. For more information with regard to specifics you have to download the whole filing, which is available.

If you check 2017 Schedule G you will see a company listed as
HWS Consulting
221 Homeport Drive
Grasonville, MD 21638

the company bills the NRA between $600k-$710k a year for the last couple of years. HWS according to internet research is owned by Harold Wayne Sheets NRA Foundation Executive Director.

That is from the things they have put in the paperwork. remember one of those news stories no one believes included an NRA employee telling the Executives, NRA BoD Finance committee that the records of payments to vendors were such that could not be complete sure what was being paid and to whom.

2018 and eventually 2019 will be a fun read. Assuming the NRA is around to file the documents.

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The only thing that is exposed is you are fine with Wayne Puke and his cronies burning down the NRA. Either you are like 99% of the NRA Members who are either ignorant of what is going on with the NRA (which is a design feature not a flaw) or you are willfully blind.

I have been pissed about the problems with the NRA for years. I only underestimated how bad it was and how lax or ninvolved the NRA BoD members are.

Someone mentioned that there is no proof only letters. Try taking a look at the 990 filings where it lists payments the payments to NRA BoD Members & Employees.

Here is also a link the lays out the NRA Financials. https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/530116130

Start of with this taster, from the extracts. In 2016 the NRA was operating a $40 million deficit. For more information with regard to specifics you have to download the whole filing, which is available.

If you check 2017 Schedule G you will see a company listed as
HWS Consulting
221 Homeport Drive
Grasonville, MD 21638

the company bills the NRA between $600k-$710k a year for the last couple of years. HWS according to internet research is owned by Harold Wayne Sheets NRA Foundation Executive Director.

That is from the things they have put in the paperwork. remember one of those news stories no one believes included an NRA employee telling the Executives, NRA BoD Finance committee that the records of payments to vendors were such that could not be complete sure what was being paid and to whom.

2018 and eventually 2019 will be a fun read. Assuming the NRA is around to file the documents.
You back ONE TRICK PONY!
The only honest part you posted is your" pissed about the NRA for years"
Now run along, back to Bloomberg and tell him you have been exposed as a democrat troll on calguns!

Goodbye libtard!
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