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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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please answer these questions with a logical answers based in law: If this country is striving to make all citizens equal then why are the socialist democrats of california making some classes of citizens (politicians and law enforcement) exempt from the laws all the rest of us have to live under? Why is a cop allowed to be around my child with a handgun declared unsafe especially when cops are committing more and more crimes and murders? why are politicians allowed to carry concealed handguns both during and after terms in office that are unsafe and they are around children? Why are our socialist democrats working against equality on all levels and passing laws that are not equal to everyone?
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thank you bootstrap for the valuable information. Now we can decide if the LE's and their organizations got their money worth in exemptions. This is the kind of information we should be looking at and any other financial information that could have a bearing on what is being discussed. I know a lot of it is public record but most of us do not know where to look. Thank you again bootstrap.
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Questions like "Why are they working against our equality" are political questions, not legal ones. I feel the same frustration, but the courts are not the venue for every frustration. Some frustrations have to be channeled in political directions, only some are appropriate for legal directions. Not every question in the universe is a legal question, but don't get too discouraged here. Remember, the 9th hates the 2A, they are not going to give us an inch, whereas if this were an abortion case for example, the 9th would have made up some argument for you, and you'd have won the case and been declared a legal genius by the court. Just because we lost before the 9th doesn't by itself mean a whole lot. Also, Pena was apparently not a well-challenged case, so even in an impartial court we might have had trouble winning. Pena is probably not a great case to appeal to SCOTUS, but a new case, making rational basis arguments or some of the other options might do much better.
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OP, the more equal come to mind. We are all equal, but some are more equal
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Sheriff's Dept rep gets up and says "as long as this doesn't affect the Sheriff's Dept, current or retired deputies, we're ok with this." Police Dept rep gets up "as long as this doesn't affect the police Dept, current or retired officers, we're ok with this." I've seen it and heard it. We can't have em, they can't have em. They don't have our backs, I don't see why we should have their's. Will always support our cops, but that stops when I become a second class citizen and they are exempt. |
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End the PPT as well. I'm sick of seeing "fellow gun owners" pretty much shafting one another. Off roster gen4 $800. Vp9 $1,100.
I know you guys realize they're reading every word. Maybe it's time to start some private groups to have your discussions. "Calguns, where we show our opponents our hand, tell them our next move and expect to win." |
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Thanks to Bootstrap we now have some figures and can see how cheap exemptions can be bought by LE unions. Some of the information is here so when is the public/gun owners going to outlaw police unions or at the very least put propositions on the ballot next time to limit their ability to "buy" exemptions? right now it sounds like a lot of whining and no one doing anything . unions got slammed on their dues by the courts this year and now is the best chance to curb their power if that is what you really want and take away their exemptions.
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California is no different. You can't "outlaw" Police Associations. It's just not legally possible. I don't know of any Police Associations who have had members quit due to the recent change in the law. Gripe all you want, but nothing is going to change. I agree the roster and most all of the California firearms laws are stupid and serve no purpose, but griping about exemptions isn't going to change anything. As said above maybe try and add exemptions. That would be a much easier avenue .
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Unfortunately, I believe this is a loosing battle in California. Liberals are not driven by logic, they are driven by emotion. That is why we are where we are in this state. Maybe the best way to get things changed is to promote shooting as a sport (and for self defense). Take your friends to the range with you. Buy them a box of ammo. Let them enjoy what we enjoy. Share a few facts with them that they won't see on CNN or the local news broadcast. Kinda like spreading the gospel of shooting, guns, and the 2nd Amendment. Just my 2 cents.
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The best hope would be for the handgun manufactures to sue California for libel and slander and collect damages based upon lost business.
They have labeled these handguns as unsafe. This has impacted business and caused extreme financial loss due to this derogatory statements presented as facts to the consumers as they make their choices or are unable to make a choice. The State of California does not believe the handguns are unsafe else the safety officers would be required to not use unsafe handguns or we would change the name of the officers to unsafety wreckless officers. They are lying. Alternatively anyone shot by a wreckless officer using an unsafe handgun has grounds for suing because the unsafe officer of the state used an unsafe handgun. Where is Black Lives Matter when you need them? |
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Don't try to better yourself by pulling others down to your level. Work to elevate yourself to their level.
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OP if you think it's bad now when Newsom wins it will game over. IMO the legislature already has laws ready for Newsom to rubber stamp on prime time TV for all of us to see.
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The biggest problem is after Heller 1&2 and McDonald, no state has gone over existing laws to see if they comport with the newly incorporated 2A, via the 14th in McDonald. The problem is the Government doesn't like restrictions. The Bill of Rights are laws that limit Government. ALL Branches, so The Judiciary really has no Authority to limit the 2A. I know some will point to other parts of the Constitution where it gives the Judiciary authority to interpret the constitutionality of laws but here we have a preemptive and supreme right. |
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The RIGHTS aren't ours because they are written in the Bill of Rights. They belong to us and predate the amendments. God given or however--- the Bill of Rights just codified that as a reminder to the government that these are hands off. I believe some of the founders didn't even want the amendments written because they thought if they were written, then some would believe it was the document that gave the people power - and therefore changeable. Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights is interpreted, enforced, and modified by people with an agenda that may not reflect the best interests of the people.
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