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Old 09-27-2013, 3:32 PM
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Default So I sold some ammo and now feel SICK! "why your ammos high"

Well long story short I sold one of my buckets of golden bullets here on calguns. I had it for sale for $87. Which is what i bought them for from my local ACE. Several pm's but one cal guns member said he would take them now. No problem. So i met a very nice older gentleman that bought them from me for him. A retiree that said he hits up all the walmarts etc. for ammo every morning they come in. It gets marked up roughly 150% from them and sold here on calguns. They are using the walmart app or one of the others, "google it", to get messages when the ammo is or has arrived at the store so they can buy it up immediately. I normally dont care about other peoples business but as I continued to talk to him I started getting pissed because this is part of the reason it is hard to get ammo at walmart and why it is on craigslist and here for $50 for 500. He then asked me if I still had 22 ammo and what kind. After telling me how much they were selling it for he offered the same or slightly less then what I payed for it originally . Nice guy but a F U move. Had I not already got paid and the bucket closed in his trunk I would have IMMEDIATELY SAID TO F O and taken it back! He asked me where I got that bucket and I had originally told him so I guess I am sorry for those of you that get your ammo there because I just screwed you. Worst part is people that pm'd me wanted it in 4 or 5 days. Or can I bring it to the bay area? Can I go cheaper?..........
I threw it up cheap so a calgunner that needed ammo could get it and not get raped. Now someone will pay WAY too much for that bucket. No good deed goes unpunished though right

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As the big stores like Cabela's start to replenish their inventory, more people get in on the deals and less pay money for the overpriced stuff.

The flippers will cut prices to try and not be stuck with inventory. It happened with .223/5.56, it'll happen with 22lr.
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
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Well long story short I sold one of my buckets of golden bullets here on calguns. I had it for sale for $87. Which is what i bought them for from my local ACE. Several pm's but one cal guns member said he would take them now. No problem. So i met a very nice older gentleman that bought them from me for him. A retiree that said he hits up all the walmarts etc. for ammo every morning they come in. It gets marked up roughly 150% from them and sold here on calguns. They are using the walmart app or one of the others, "google it", to get messages when the ammo is or has arrived at the store so they can buy it up immediately. I normally dont care about other peoples business but as I continued to talk to him I started getting pissed because this is part of the reason it is hard to get ammo at walmart and why it is on craigslist and here for $50 for 500. He then asked me if I still had 22 ammo and what kind. After telling me how much they were selling it for he offered the same or slightly less then what I payed for it originally . Nice guy but a F U move. Had I not already got paid and the bucket closed in his trunk I would have IMMEDIATELY SAID TO F O and taken it back! He asked me where I got that bucket and I had originally told him so I guess I am sorry for those of you that get your ammo there because I just screwed you. Worst part is people that pm'd me wanted it in 4 or 5 days. Or can I bring it to the bay area? Can I go cheaper?..........
I threw it up cheap so a calgunner that needed ammo could get it and not get raped. Now someone will pay WAY too much for that bucket. No good deed goes unpunished though right
This guys business model is going to be obsolete in a few more weeks if not already. The supply is loosening up big time, and Cabela's, gander mOuntain, midway, etc all release large amounts of ammo every week now. I sold stuff I had bought during the handgun ammo panic of 09, for way more than I bought it for in '09 up to '11. Current market conditions dictated that. Am I feeling guilty? Nope.... I had supply that others didn't and they were willing to pay my price. Was I the most expensive person selling ammo?? Nope...I sold it pretty quickly because of it. Am I still selling ammo? Nope...It is no longer worth my while to compete with the increased supplies from major vendors mentioned above. I took the profit from those sales and bought more to restock to shoot and keep for the next round of lame legislation, or the next scare to fund other preparation supplies. Vicious cycle.
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Harsh guys, harsh. To be honest I think it was a dick move too. But hey what do I know. Also when does good English have anything to do with calgunners? Don't sweat the small ***** Bodlfed, or in this case grammar Nazi's that second to last sentence in their own post is a run-on.
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
Walmart is not the manufacturer. They are the middle man. And plenty of people do in fact buy from the farmer.

Currently there is an unusual run on ammo. It's been going on for quite a few years.

If you are thanking a scalper, you are doing it wrong IMO.
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator,middleman and most importantly the lazy. I spend maybe 10 minutes looking for ammo a week. Haven't had to buy ammo at double or triple the price yet. The last brick i bought at Ace at 11 am on a Sunday morning. If you stopped buying ammo at extreme prices there would be less msrp priced ammo for me in the stores. I have a couple kids myself. Please tell me what school district you teach in so I don't take my kids there.
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Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator,middleman and most importantly the lazy. I spend maybe 10 minutes looking for ammo a week. Haven't had to buy ammo at double or triple the price yet. The last brick i bought at Ace at 11 am on a Sunday morning. If you stopped buying ammo at extreme prices there would be less msrp priced ammo for me in the stores. I have a couple kids myself. Please tell me what school district you teach in so I don't take my kids there.
There would be less or more?

Last Sunday I was at the baseball fields from 8am until 330 pm. Kids baseball. ARGGHHHH!!!

Anyways I'll be willing to pay $45 a brick when I used to pay $15-20 if it means my boys can go shooting. I see it as a bargain. Maybe you don't. So the ammo has different values and utility to different people. That's economics. We are at different spots on the demand curve.

Look I'm all for cheap ammo. And there should be price controls on ammo. Just like there are on health care. Because it works so well

Trust me. I'm not lazy. When I can I scan gunbot, ammoseek, wikiarms, et al. And I've gotten good deals online. In fact I haven't paid higher prices for any powder or primers. But the difference was I could wait to find availability. I wa always able to find what I needed. Eventually.

And most places now are rationing ammo anyway. Well, by more than just price alone. So it's really not as profitable for the flipper as it used to be. And besides how much is their time worth? All that leg work takes time and effort. If they were more productive their time would be more valuable. Their marginal product value would be above what they earn from the ammo.

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There would be less or more?

Last Sunday I was at the baseball fields from 8am until 330 pm. Kids baseball. ARGGHHHH!!!

Anyways I'll be willing to pay $45 a brick when I used to pay $15-20 if it means my boys can go shooting.

And most places now are rationing ammo anyway. Well, by more than just price alone. So it's really not as profitable for the flipper as it used to be. And besides how much is their time worth? All that leg work takes time and effort. If they were more productive their time would be more valuable. Their marginal product value would be above what they earn from the ammo.
What about when employees are dishing it out to their friends and not putting it on the shelves? I can only suspect some of those people are price gougers.


I've know of two stores doing this. Wal-mart and Big 5. asked the employee about ammo. We are all out. Came back around the counter before leaving and all of a sudden bulk packs are being given to a couple of people. Asked what was up? The response was "those were the last from the back"

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As the big stores like Cabela's start to replenish their inventory, more people get in on the deals and less pay money for the overpriced stuff.

The flippers will cut prices to try and not be stuck with inventory. It happened with .223/5.56, it'll happen with 22lr.
Yeah and it is starting to happen all ready. Once the majority of shooters are able to get all the .22 lr they need and stop buying is when things will really start to cool down. This will have a trickle down effect because more ammo will be on store shelfs for longer and people will calm down and stop buying as much.

It took 10 months but I think the supply of .22 lr is getting closer to and closer to catching up with demand everyday.
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There would be less or more?

Last Sunday I was at the baseball fields from 8am until 330 pm. Kids baseball. ARGGHHHH!!!

Anyways I'll be willing to pay $45 a brick when I used to pay $15-20 if it means my boys can go shooting. I see it as a bargain. Maybe you don't. So the ammo has different values and utility to different people. That's economics. We are at different spots on the demand curve.

Look I'm all for cheap ammo. And there should be price controls on ammo. Just like there are on health care. Because it works so well

Trust me. I'm not lazy. When I can I scan gunbot, ammoseek, wikiarms, et al. And I've gotten good deals online. In fact I haven't paid higher prices for any powder or primers. But the difference was I could wait to find availability. I wa always able to find what I needed. Eventually.

And most places now are rationing ammo anyway. Well, by more than just price alone. So it's really not as profitable for the flipper as it used to be. And besides how much is their time worth? All that leg work takes time and effort. If they were more productive their time would be more valuable. Their marginal product value would be above what they earn from the ammo.

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Two different views. If I had absolutely no ammo, and was unable to find any, I may over pay for ammo. May.... The part out of all of it that bothers me is not that someone sells their ammo because it is worth alot. It is the fact that they are buying it before others get the chance to simply resell it. Walmart employees ABSOLUTELY show favortism to certain people. I walked in one morning and bought the max allowed of 100 pks. Three. Went and bought some dish soap and bam, passed another guy that literally left with the rest of the case. Next time I was there I gingerly asked salesman about it. Not much was said and he has been nicer to me since. My whole point of this thread was I tried to sell 1400 rds at a good price to someone that needed it. It was then purchased to be resold at a much higher price down the road. Even after telling me how much he could sell it for he tried to buy the rest from me for cheap. Good intentions gone bad....Sorry about the earlier jab. Too late for those graphs?
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
With teachers like you, no wonder why our country is in such sad shape. Without the flippers, and gougers they would have ammo on the shelves, or at least more people would be able to buy ammo. Use your head and think of the McDonalds economic model.
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Since I teach economics in high school here's the deal. Some people don't have time to do the search and shop and drive thing. So the cost of that ammo is higher. Someone did the leg work.

You don't go to the farm to get produce. You pay people to bring it to the store and others to shelve it. In fact they're doing people a favor. Because they keep the ammo supplies moving we can get it.

Let's all praise the gouger, hoarder, flipper, speculator, and most importantly the middleman. Without them we'd be worse off.

In fact because of them I've been able to take my sons shooing.
1- You're a high school teacher.... You have more time than money.

2- You're supposed to understand the basics of economics and commerce/supply/demand....

Taking both of those into accounts... your post doesnt make ANY sense.
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I feel for ya OP.. Early on the 22 shortage, I traded two bricks for 2 pounds of varget powder.

I could have sold those for WAY more.. but varget was hard to find, and looking for a fairly square trade.

I hope the trader kept and used the ammo instead of flipping it.... He said he would. I'd be upset to find out otherwise- just like you.
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If you had told the old guy to F off after agreeing to meet and sell him your product at a pre agreed on price, you would have been an AHOLE. You offered to sell something and he agreed to buy it. It should not make a difference what he wants it for as long as it is legal and safe. The fact that you are ignorant enough to think that flippers are causing the perceived ammo shortage doesn't say much about your ability to reason and, the fact that you would have backed out of the deal tell a lot about your lack of integrity. As far as flippers go, they are only able to flip something IF they have a buyer for it. They WORK hard to find products and invest both time and money to get to the stores to buy and to meet their clients to sell. If you don't like it, that's fine. I'm sure some don't like whatever you are doing to make money. However, this is AMERICA and people are free to do what they want to. Oh yea, flippers do not influence the scarcity of available ammo. Think for just a second, if you're able to, and realize that flippers keep a very limited stock which is constantly rotating. If a flipper has 5000 rounds of ammo on a given day, buys and sells some and ends up with 5000 rounds a week later, he/she has not impacted any shortage at all since, he/she has not increased his/her inventory.
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If you had told the old guy to F off after agreeing to meet and sell him your product at a pre agreed on price, you would have been an AHOLE. You offered to sell something and he agreed to buy it. It should not make a difference what he wants it for as long as it is legal and safe. The fact that you are ignorant enough to think that flippers are causing the perceived ammo shortage doesn't say much about your ability to reason and, the fact that you would have backed out of the deal tell a lot about your lack of integrity. As far as flippers go, they are only able to flip something IF they have a buyer for it. They WORK hard to find products and invest both time and money to get to the stores to buy and to meet their clients to sell. If you don't like it, that's fine. I'm sure some don't like whatever you are doing to make money. However, this is AMERICA and people are free to do what they want to. Oh yea, flippers do not influence the scarcity of available ammo. Think for just a second, if you're able to, and realize that flippers keep a very limited stock which is constantly rotating. If a flipper has 5000 rounds of ammo on a given day, buys and sells some and ends up with 5000 rounds a week later, he/she has not impacted any shortage at all since, he/she has not increased his/her inventory.
Deep breath.. I did sell it to him. I did not back out. I did not say they are affecting the shortages. They DO NOT work hard. It is called a app. Your smartphone tells you when ammo is there. They have a limited stock because they go buy the ammo that you could buy for the same price and then resell it to you for more $$$ because they have bought the ammo you were going to buy. It seems like pretty simple logic. Yes we do live in America. Thanks for noticing. My ability to reason must have overshadowed your ability to read I still can't see where I wrote they are causing the shortage . That was your rant right?

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At least there's a very, very pro 2A teacher out there. If I suck at teaching at least they're not getting left wing propaganda. If I'm too free market and pro liberty than I apologize. My view of the 2A is that if I can carry it or tow it behind my car than it's my right. Period. Anything else is fascism.

So can I get at least some love for that

As for the economics part. I don't have the time but others do. Go look at the marketplace. There are bricks that have been sitting for a while. Markets work. And prices send the appropriate signals. We might not like them at times but the alternative is far worse.

As for the OP, if he really cared who bought the ammo he'd have checked their post count or itrader ratings. You post an item for sale you are not obligated to sell to he first pm. The truth was he has ammo he didn't much want and something he wanted more. If helping out a fellow CG'r was that big a deal he'd have checked.

Now if the employees of a store have been doing those things then bring it the attention of management immediately. Immediately. They represent the store. And if they piss off customers then mgt needs to know.

Gougers (though no such thing exists) and the like serve a vital function. In fact they are the reason that so many of us have been able to shoot. Otherwise people would have purchased far more than they needed and left little if nothing for the rest. The gougers insure that more people have access. Like it or not many of us have been able to still shoot during this madness only because of the flipper.
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I think I should take some advice given to me by a veteran member and let this thread go. Too many opinions that end up turning into personal attacks. Keyboard commandos....... I'm out.
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Wow, tough crowd

Absolutely agree that capitalism/supply/demand/etc make the world go 'round. Wouldn't have it any other way, for the most part.

However, if I was trying to do a good deed and had the same experience as the OP, I'd be pissed too.

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Umm... how do you figure? They buy up the stock from the local distributors before we can buy it ourselves and resell at a higher price. That helps us out how?

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Or maybe if people only bought what they needed, and flippers didn't buy out all the ammo as soon as it came in, you would've been able to buy it from the local middle-man at a more reasonable price. You think?

Yeah, I know. There'll always be someone trying to take advantage of a situation. Coming back to reality now.
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Two different views. If I had absolutely no ammo, and was unable to find any, I may over pay for ammo. May.... The part out of all of it that bothers me is not that someone sells their ammo because it is worth alot. It is the fact that they are buying it before others get the chance to simply resell it. Walmart employees ABSOLUTELY show favortism to certain people. I walked in one morning and bought the max allowed of 100 pks. Three. Went and bought some dish soap and bam, passed another guy that literally left with the rest of the case. Next time I was there I gingerly asked salesman about it. Not much was said and he has been nicer to me since. My whole point of this thread was I tried to sell 1400 rds at a good price to someone that needed it. It was then purchased to be resold at a much higher price down the road. Even after telling me how much he could sell it for he tried to buy the rest from me for cheap. Good intentions gone bad....Sorry about the earlier jab. Too late for those graphs?
The WalMart thing is BS... That needs to be brought up to the manager on duty, with a follow up to district/region or corporate. The managers may be in on it at the local level, so it's always good to go higher on the food chain.
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Wow, tough crowd

Absolutely agree that capitalism/supply/demand/etc make the world go 'round. Wouldn't have it any other way, for the most part.

However, if I was trying to do a good deed and had the same experience as the OP, I'd be pissed too.


Umm... how do you figure? They buy up the stock from the local distributors before we can buy it ourselves and resell at a higher price. That helps us out how?



Or maybe if people only bought what they needed, and flippers didn't buy out all the ammo as soon as it came in, you would've been able to buy it from the local middle-man at a more reasonable price. You think?

Yeah, I know. There'll always be someone trying to take advantage of a situation. Coming back to reality now.
Let's take another example. When a storm hits and there's a break in supply of drinking water. Tap water can't be trusted to be safe or the pipes have burst and taps aren't flowing. Think hurricane Katrina. Ok.

Now suddenly there's a huge increase in demand for water. i.e. Many more people are willing to pay much higher prices. (If it sounds eerily familiar to AR's this year you're right. It's the exact same thing. ) so the local stores decide to be good Samaritans and keep prices down. Well the first few people in buy up all the water and either hoard it or resell it at higher prices. If they hoard it (though there's no such thing as hoarding) then only a few get water.

If the shops raise their prices then people buy only what they need. So $10 a bottle sucks but no water sucks worse. However, seeing such high prices others outside the area rush in to supply water that they wouldn't have before, the marginal cost being too high previously.

As for hoarding it is all about time preference. IOW putting future concerns ahead of present needs. Also about uncertainty. Why were there bank runs and why did people choose cash holdings? In times of crisis people want liquidity.

The gouger is merely a speculator. And everyone is a speculator. We buy things based on speculation. Like homes for example. Grocers speculate that people will buy their produce. Business speculate that people will buy their products. You speculate that a purchase will yield greater utility than not, than something else.

Without speculators we'd have nothing on shelves. Look at the marketplace now. It's awash with AR's. Oh well. That's life.

We're all pissed because the root of this all has been the fascists in government. This was all started by idiot politicians and their ilk in the press, etc.

Thing with ammo is that one, as compared to the crisis of 94 (which I remember VERY well) there are millions more shooters and two very different shooters. There were only a handful of AR types out there and it was slim pickings. Nothing like the vast array of choices and options we have now. So there are now millions of AR's in common use. Thus the panic was much farther reaching. And more intense.

22's are a low margin item. There was greater need to produce other, higher margin ammo. Right now 5.56 is pretty close to pre panic levels. It's widely available and almost back to pre panic pricing. Well suppliers caught up and demand slackened. In fact suppliers probably overshot. That's how it goes.

The stores got caught in a dilemma and it's one they went prepared for. How could they? They should have raised prices faster but at the cost of alienating their customer base?? Laws restricted the free flow of products and that's why the crisis persisted so long and so deep.

Let's reserve our anger for the state. The enemy of us all. Free peoples are never enemies. Only government can make us such. Governments everywhere are the enemy of liberty.
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haters going to hate. I flipped ammo like crazy! I sold some 9mm on craigslist, a 50 rounds box of federal for $40.

its not hard work?? ahah hell yea it is, going to a store 4 hours before they open and standing in line only to get 3 bulk boxes? youre paying for my time, not for the ammo, don't like it, don't buy it.
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If you bought ammo at a extremely high price, it's your own damn fault. If someone sold a McDonald's cheeseburger for $100, would you get mad at him or would you just laugh at him? Would you even care? If millions of people bought cheeseburgers at $100, then the new price of a cheeseburger is $100. The price of an item is what people are willing to pay, not what "YOU" think you should pay. Stop buying ammo at high prices and people won't sell at high prices.
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If you bought ammo at a extremely high price, it's your own damn fault. If someone sold a McDonald's cheeseburger for $100, would you get mad at him or would you just laugh at him? Would you even care? If millions of people bought cheeseburgers at $100, then the new price of a cheeseburger is $100. The price of an item is what people are willing to pay, not what "YOU" think you should pay. Stop buying ammo at high prices and people won't sell at high prices.
Think about the above while also remembering that people were paying huge dollars for Twinkies when they went bankrupt. There will always be a market for goods that have perceived collector value too. How about Beanie babies and Cabbage patch. outrageous prices for useless crap. At least ammo has a use. And I don't care how much a Mcdonalds cheeseburger is if there are other choices.....
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haters going to hate. I flipped ammo like crazy! I sold some 9mm on craigslist, a 50 rounds box of federal for $40.

its not hard work?? ahah hell yea it is, going to a store 4 hours before they open and standing in line only to get 3 bulk boxes? youre paying for my time, not for the ammo, don't like it, don't buy it.
How's the ammo business now that supply is loosening up? serious question here...
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How's the ammo business now that supply is loosening up? serious question here...
it never was a business. just saw an opportunity and took it. like I told some other people on a different thread, any ammo that didn't sell, went straight into my ammo pile.
I still buy when I find a nice deal, there is no reason to sell it, yet.



I made most of my money at the gun shows for people who didn't want to wait in line, pay tax, or wanted more than the 200 round limits that vendors placed.
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it never was a business. just saw an opportunity and took it. like I told some other people on a different thread, any ammo that didn't sell, went straight into my ammo pile.
I still buy when I find a nice deal, there is no reason to sell it, yet.



I made most of my money at the gun shows for people who didn't want to wait in line, pay tax, or wanted more than the 200 round limits that vendors placed.
I'm sure the IRS agent you just responded to is satisfied with your response and you'll hear no more about it.......

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screw the hoarders and definitely screw the people that wait at Wally world or other places just to buy up ammo to re-sell. All this whole ammo shortage has taught me is to be a better marksman and value every shot I make.
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Harsh guys, harsh. To be honest I think it was a dick move too. But hey what do I know. Also when does good English have anything to do with calgunners? Don't sweat the small ***** Bodlfed, or in this case grammar Nazi's that second to last sentence in their own post is a run-on.
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screw the hoarders and definitely screw the people that wait at Wally world or other places just to buy up ammo to re-sell. All this whole ammo shortage has taught me is to be a better marksman and value every shot I make.
Agreed. Hoarders who think they are "doing everyone a favor" by selling off their "overstock" for what they paid for it, at the peak of the ammo crisis, and then come here to CGN to post about it, are not doing anyone a favor.

Sure, talk economics all you want, but it doesn't make sense in Economics 101 to sell something "at your cost" when the market rate is noticeably lower. Economics 101 says the hoarder will end up having to eat his overstock.
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Look around my friend, we already are Mexico!
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So you'd rather just ... blend in. I commend you.
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Yes this is capitalism so making a buck is perfectly alright.

But potentially screw over people who are trying to bring in new shooters? That's a no no for me. I would think we need more allies on our side than ever but some people are just more focused on making a profit.

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Regardless of the argument there's no need to attack anyones education or professional abilities. Keep it civil people.
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...Well the first few people in buy up all the water and either hoard it or resell it at higher prices...Without speculators we'd have nothing on shelves...
Sorry, I'm not following you on this. You're saying the shelves are emptied by hoarders and speculators but speculators keep stuff on the shelves???

Sure, supply/demand can bring things into balance. Eventually. Assuming a truly open market and little to no barrier to entry. I contend we don't have that situation here, but that's really a different issue.

My main heartburn is with your continued assertion that speculators somehow help the situation and should be commended for what they do. I suppose this is one issue where we'll have to agree to disagree.

And just so the "It's America and capitalism rules" crowd doesn't get their panties in a twist... as I stated previously, I completely agree that speculators are fully within their rights to buy up every single bullet and charge an arm and a leg for it. I also say it's wrong, and as the saying goes, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Here's a thought. If stores instituted a purchase cap and enforced it equally, it would go a long way to giving more people a chance to purchase the ammo at a reasonable price. Would it be 100% effective? No, but at least it would limit (somewhat) hoarders and speculators who wait all night to be first in the store to buy out the inventory.
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