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Looking for some first hand experience on a good 20 gauge semi auto? Will be used for skeet/5stand/sporting and possibly dove. Only things I've really considered is the A400 Xcel and M2 because those are the only two that people I know own.
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On a budget? If so, the Franchi Affinity is hard to beat. If you are not recoil sensitive and you’ve got the cash, the Benelli Ultralight in 20 gauge swings like a dream.
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Also check out the Benelli Motifeltro in 20. Not all that different than the Ultralight, but cost less (for reasons unbeknownst to me).
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Remington 1100 20ga?
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On a budget? If so, the Franchi Affinity is hard to beat. If you are not recoil sensitive and you’ve got the cash, the Benelli Ultralight in 20 gauge swings like a dream.
Not really, not looking for an over under but would spend up to 1500. Wouldn't want an ultralight because its mainly for clays. Isn't the Montefeltro just a wood version of the M2 or am I mistaken?
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Remington 1100 20ga?
that's one I just was looking at since I posted this, the sporting version. How is the current production quality? Is the reports of them not functioning unless being cleaned every time over hyped? I feel like thats what I read on forums about every gun except benellis which I haven't found to be true at all.
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that's one I just was looking at since I posted this, the sporting version. How is the current production quality? Is the reports of them not functioning unless being cleaned every time over hyped? I feel like thats what I read on forums about every gun except benellis which I haven't found to be true at all.
Not sure about current production. My 20 year old one goes and goes without a problem


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Another gun we agree on!!!! Easily found on the used market for little $

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Not really, not looking for an over under but would spend up to 1500. Wouldn't want an ultralight because its mainly for clays. Isn't the Montefeltro just a wood version of the M2 or am I mistaken?
The Affinity is a semiauto, not an O/U. Not sure on the Montefeltro. Call up Benelli and ask. Their customer service reps are are always helpful and knowledgeable in my opinion.
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The Affinity is a semiauto, not an O/U. Not sure on the Montefeltro. Call up Benelli and ask. Their customer service reps are are always helpful and knowledgeable in my opinion.
Im familiar with the Affinity, was meaning I don't want to spend over under money when you asked about the budget. Might have to do that to see what the main difference is.
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I recently acquired an used Remington 1100 Skeet B 20ga via Gunbroker.com primarily for skeet shooting. I'm very happy about this gun, and I just bought a modified choke barrel so that I can use it for sporting clays.

Used 1100 20ga LT are in $400-700 price range, and I think LT20 would be much easier to find parts and the barrels with screw-in choke and vented rib than the standard receiver or LW20.

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Benelli Montefeltro is outstanding. I have the Legacy but I’m not sure they make it anymore
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I like Rem 1100s and have a 12 and an LT20. When I went looking for a dove/duck/pheasant 20, I bought a Win SX3. Like it so much that I bought another one in 12. A hunting buddy, who has an SX3 20, tried my 12 on AZ winter doves and he now has another SX3 to go with his 20. They are still around but getting harder to find. A Rem 1100 will run forever with minimal maintenance (O-rings and the occasional bolt handle). Don't know if the SX3 will be that reliable over the long term, but so far, so good.
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I like Rem 1100s and have a 12 and an LT20. When I went looking for a dove/duck/pheasant 20, I bought a Win SX3. Like it so much that I bought another one in 12. A hunting buddy, who has an SX3 20, tried my 12 on AZ winter doves and he now has another SX3 to go with his 20. They are still around but getting harder to find. A Rem 1100 will run forever with minimal maintenance (O-rings and the occasional bolt handle). Don't know if the SX3 will be that reliable over the long term, but so far, so good.
thats one I went to look ago because I used to have a SX3 and it was a solid gun. I don't understand why they're not making any in the 3 or 4.
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With some money: Benelli M2. AWESOME shotgun and extremely comfortable. Old school: Remi 1100, 1187.
Affordable and surprisingly good: Mossberg SA 20.



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With some money: Benelli M2. AWESOME shotgun and extremely comfortable. Old school: Remi 1100, 1187.
Affordable and surprisingly good: Mossberg SA 20.



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Strongly leaning towards the M2 as I have a 12 and love it, see Briley makes some weighted caps now to to add some weight for clays. I kind of take Randys opinions lightly now since it seems like if it isn't a Fabarm/Ceaser Guerini it's a piece of ****, I wonder how much they pay him or how many guns they give him.
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Strongly leaning towards the M2 as I have a 12 and love it, see Briley makes some weighted caps now to to add some weight for clays. I kind of take Randys opinions lightly now since it seems like if it isn't a Fabarm/Ceaser Guerini it's a piece of ****, I wonder how much they pay him or how many guns they give him.
Understand your point about Randy, but FWIW, I own all the ones I mentioned and the SA20 is really the best bang for the buck. That said, I have been a Benelli fan and really dig the 20gauge M2. Extremely comfortable for me.
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There was a similar discussion in this forum that might be informative.

Starter shotgun for small kid sized roommate

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I have a Montefeltro (HK import) in 20g. Nice gun. Reliable enough for Argentina dove shoots. I sold the Beretta 390ST Silver Mallard just because I didn't shoot it well.

Probably my fav 20 auto is an old Franchi AL48 though. Probably a bit light for extended target games.
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Understand your point about Randy, but FWIW, I own all the ones I mentioned and the SA20 is really the best bang for the buck. That said, I have been a Benelli fan and really dig the 20gauge M2. Extremely comfortable for me.
How has the 20 gauge m2 been with shells, does it eat everything?
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Browning Light 20 A5 (japan for choke tubes) for the best SA 20 ever made.
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For me it has. Haven't found anything yet that it doesn't eat. My best friend had an issue with Fiocchi though. HOWEVER he tested Fiocchi with an 1100 and had problems with that too. I don't know at the moment what his conclusion is.
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Love my Remington 11-87 20ga. I have had it for perhaps 15 years after winning it at a CWA dinner. Probably never would have bought it, but wouldn't be without it now. I put a case or two of the 3" 7/8 oz 1550 fps steel loads through it every waterfowl season and it gives up nothing to the 12ga guns my blind partners all use. Clean it good once a year at the end of the season and wipe it down with a towel after a rainy day, and it keeps on ticking.
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Thousands of rounds through my 20ga Benelli Sport II. 100% reliable.
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How has the 20 gauge m2 been with shells, does it eat everything?
We have had no trouble with any shells in my wife’s M2. But I strongly suggest you try before you buy if possible. It’s pretty small. I can’t get it to mount well for me. (I haven’t worked at it though...my supernova mounts so naturally I don’t want to mess things up)
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My wife shoots a Winchester SX3 and she loves it. That being said I'm gonna buy her a M2 this year lol. We hunt saltwater and the Benelli's are so much easier to clean.
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After a particularly nasty hunt, I have been known to put my SBE on a towel on the driveway and then just hose it down, inside and out. Blow the water out with compressed air, dry with a hair dryer and oil it. That gun is 20 years old (first gen) and has NEVER jammed or failed to cycle. My buddy's M2 has been nothing but trouble, so much so that he doesn't even take it as a backup. His A400 also gives him trouble, so I figure it's operator error. Go figure.

The biggest difference between the recoil semis (Benelli, A5, Franchi, etc.) and the gas semis (1100, 11-87, LT20, SX3, etc.) is the recoil. A gas gun will significantly mitigate the felt recoil and be more pleasant for heavy loads or extended shooting sessions.
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Benelli Montefeltro
https://www.benelliusa.com/montefeltro-shotgun

Benelli M2
https://www.benelliusa.com/m2-field-shotgun

Beretta a400 explor
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/a400-xplor-action/

Beretta a400 max lite
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/a400-lite-max-5/

In order of preference from top to bottom. If you purchase a gun with wood, be sure to wax it and wipe it down really well after a hunt.

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Looking for some first hand experience on a good 20 gauge semi auto? Will be used for skeet/5stand/sporting and possibly dove. Only things I've really considered is the A400 Xcel and M2 because those are the only two that people I know own.
I’m not sure how the m2 does for clays but my friend shoots a lot of ducks and even geese with his. He’s a lefty so it’s the perfect shotgun for him.

I wish Beretta made an a300 in 20 gauge - I’d be all over that.

It’s a pump but like my Benelli Nova in 20. It’s got a camo finish on it. I use it for doves and ducks.
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A lot of good recommendations. I’d suggest shouldering as many of these as possible, as it is all about how the gun fits you. If it doesn’t fit you well, you won’t shoot it well.
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Thanks for all the info, think my mind is set on a Benelli. But now I can’t decide between the M2, sport II, super sport and Córdoba. Hopefully I can find a place to handle all 4.
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If your mind isn't set set the Weatherby elements are nice and have the same recoil system as a Benelli at a way lower cost.
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I picked up an Affinity 3 20 gauge just before Thanksgiving when they were on sale at Sportsman's Warehouse. For the price it's a very impressive shotgun and it handles great. It is recoil operated but has very little kick even after four rounds of trap my shoulder was fine. The recoil pad is proprietary so you won't be able to use an aftermarket one, although the one it comes with works very well.

Having only owned Beretta's and Benelli's prior to this I will say it isn't quite as nice as those but it is an excellent no frills shotgun and compares fairly well with the Benelli M2 and is made in the same factory.
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You might want to wait until the Shot Show unveilings. It's possible Remington might introduce their V3 in 20 ga.

If you want fast cycling with low recoil, you can't beat the Remington V3 or the Winchester SX3.
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I picked up an Affinity 3 20 gauge just before Thanksgiving when they were on sale at Sportsman's Warehouse. For the price it's a very impressive shotgun and it handles great. It is recoil operated but has very little kick even after four rounds of trap my shoulder was fine. The recoil pad is proprietary so you won't be able to use an aftermarket one, although the one it comes with works very well.

Having only owned Beretta's and Benelli's prior to this I will say it isn't quite as nice as those but it is an excellent no frills shotgun and compares fairly well with the Benelli M2 and is made in the same factory.
I always hear people say that but was just looking and Benelli says their guns are made in Urbino and Franchi says theirs are made in Brescia. Just searched and those cities are 4 hours away from each other.
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I always hear people say that but was just looking and Benelli says their guns are made in Urbino and Franchi says theirs are made in Brescia. Just searched and those cities are 4 hours away from each other.
Mine is not marked as being made in a specific city but the receiver is marked Benelli, also many of the parts are the same as the benelli M2.
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Weatherby Element 20ga is a great semi for the money.
I have the waterfowler camo in 12ga. Love that so much I bought the deluxe in 20ga.
The base gun is sub $600. The camo, $680 or so. The deluxe wood I got on sale at sportsman warehouse for $599, reg price of $919.
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Maybe they are, just started thinking maybe it was one of those things gun stores started saying and it stuck.
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I have a 20gauge M2 and it is a very sweet gun. I have shot skeet with it and it's the most comfortable gun I shoot next to the Benelli Sport 2 12 gauge. The only issue I had was with fiocchi ammo and I blame the ammo after doing a test with both the benelli and a Remington 1100 20 gauge. The fiocchi would not cycle. I am pretty convinced that the Fiochhi ammo was out of spec and loaded too light with powder. I would constantly have FTE with both guns. So then I loaded the M2 with federal and there were no more problems. Same with estate, browning, and winchester ammo. Never had any problems with them. Only with Fiocchi.

Another reason for claiming the fiocchi was out of spec was that it sounded funny and also had very low recoil compared to the others, yet the specs on the box were rated the same as the others which was 1200FPS, 8shot, 7/8 OZ loads. FYI.
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Old 01-20-2019, 9:13 PM
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rated the same as the others which was 1200FPS, 8shot, 7/8 OZ loads. FYI.
That's the Fiocchi low recoil training load. It's not supposed to cycle a Benelli. It's for guys who shoot O/Us. Don't blame the shells or the gun, just not designed to work together.
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