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Old 01-20-2019, 6:28 AM
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Default 98K cleaning rod

i picked up a prewar Mauser recently and have found a lot of online information, but one thing i thought i'd easily find was a reason the cleaning rod is only 10 inches long, however, i have yet to stumble upon an explanation. the end is threaded as if it screws together as a multi-piece rod, but where is the rest?

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Old 01-20-2019, 6:45 AM
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OP, they would buddy up with other squad mates to get the proper length.
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Old 01-20-2019, 6:51 AM
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Germans issued a "tobacco" can cleaning kit to their troops - RG34.
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/ori...standard-issue
https://fjm44.com/articles/rifle-cle...t-rg-34-arr-4/
German squads, when they cleaned their rifles, would also connect 3 rods together to supplement their cleaning efforts.

Or at least that was what I was told.
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Old 01-20-2019, 6:55 AM
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Your question did make me wonder what Japanese infantry used for cleaning kits - and found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-JAPANE...-/372012806062

$700 bucks for an incomplete cleaning kit? - since I have never seen one it must be pretty rare, sorry for going off topic, but my mind wanders.
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Old 01-20-2019, 7:16 AM
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OP, they would buddy up with other squad mates to get the proper length.
ah... i wasn't sure if the top of the rod was indeed threaded, but now this makes sense... thanks!
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Your question did make me wonder what Japanese infantry used for cleaning kits - and found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-JAPANE...-/372012806062

$700 bucks for an incomplete cleaning kit? - since I have never seen one it must be pretty rare, sorry for going off topic, but my mind wanders.
two reasons i think people put up auctions with ridiculous pricing... 1) who know what sort might just bite. 2) also offering a "make offer", a buyer might enter a slightly less price... which would still be 2-3 times the value... thinking they got a better deal.

i do like the bolt replacement cleaning rod guide in this kit. i've seen a video where someone used one on a 98K, but trying to track down the source they gave i couldn't find one. seems like a good idea when used along with a muzzle guide.
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Old 01-20-2019, 8:40 AM
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Germans issued a "tobacco" can cleaning kit to their troops - RG34.
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/ori...standard-issue
https://fjm44.com/articles/rifle-cle...t-rg-34-arr-4/
German squads, when they cleaned their rifles, would also connect 3 rods together to supplement their cleaning efforts.

Or at least that was what I was told.
thanks... i've seen this used, too. i've got a more modern version of a pull-through cleaner that i use on almost everything now.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:21 AM
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as long as we're on the 98K, mine still needs a sling. i see eBay full of ~$15 reproductions. i really don't mind a repro as i plan on using the rifle vs just displaying it, but i'd rather not get a piece of junk. anyone satisfied with a repro, i'd like to know your source. if it benefits a veteran's org, even better.

thanks again...gary
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Actually its very name is inaccurate. . . these are actually stacking rods, used to fasten together three (or more) rifles in a teepee fashion to keep them out of the mud and snow.

There was indeed another purpose for these rods. . . if a round or case became stuck in the barrel (or chamber) several rods would be fastened together, slid down the barrel, and struck with something (usually a shoe) to dislodge the obstruction. It was expressly forbidden to use these rods to clean the barrel, as it was thought that it would damage the rifling or crown of the muzzle and impair the accuracy. A chain-like pull-through was the ONLY acceptable method to clean the barrel, and a "tobacco-can" cleaning kit containing these (as well as cloth patches) was issued to every soldier.

This was info hammered into my head by my father, a Wehrmacht vereran of WWII.
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Seems it might cause the rifle to get caught up on things, rod get bent, etc.
Did everyone leave them in?
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Repro slings are repros - original slings are damn expensive.

Aren't we all told to store our old mil surps without leather slings? Something about bad for the slings and bad for the rifles - ?

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Actually its very name is inaccurate. . . these are actually stacking rods, used to fasten together three (or more) rifles in a teepee fashion to keep them out of the mud and snow...
i have a feeling that this might have been one of those many things that was made for one purpose and used more commonly for a totally different reason. i can see how this rod could act as you indicated and i certainly wouldn't argue with anyone with first hand knowledge of this, but i have to say that if this was indeed the intended use, it seems like a very awkward design with some very unnecessary features (the slot and threaded top). combine that with the fact that this piece was eventually eliminated in later models and nothing simpler, if actually essential, was developed as a replacement.

i'm sure if you asked many soldiers, you'd discover numerous uses for bayonets other than as a weapon. in wartime, i have to imagine the right tool wasn't always available for the right job.
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as long as we're on the 98K, mine still needs a sling. i see eBay full of ~$15 reproductions. i really don't mind a repro as i plan on using the rifle vs just displaying it, but i'd rather not get a piece of junk. anyone satisfied with a repro, i'd like to know your source. if it benefits a veteran's org, even better.

thanks again...gary
While repop is repop I did get this one through Amazon for my ‘38 K98k and it was pretty nice and not horribly expensive. Much better than the one I picked up for my M48.
Edit: That’s a crappy screen shot but I think it will give you what you need if you anted to get it. Here’s a link
https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/...her-sling-k98k

I also picked up a repop Gew98 sling from this guy and it was a decent quality piece ...he also sells K98k slings
https://www.ebay.com/usr/firebalxxx?...72.m2749.l2754
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While repop is repop I did get this one through Amazon for my Ď38 K98k and it was pretty nice and not horribly expensive. Much better than the one I picked up for my M48.
Edit: Thatís a crappy screen shot but I think it will give you what you need if you anted to get it. Hereís a link
https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/...her-sling-k98k

I also picked up a repop Gew98 sling from this guy and it was a decent quality piece ...he also sells K98k slings
https://www.ebay.com/usr/firebalxxx?...72.m2749.l2754
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