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80% AR pistols and new laws???
So, this old thread brings up some new questions about what to do with 80% AR pistols built within the days of SSE. Remove BB and weld flash hider? Remove FH and go with compensator? Dros as is?
????? https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=580226 |
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Use a BB Reloaded
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Or you can register it as an AW and do what you like with it (within the confines of the NFA of course).
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so i can ditch the BB, register as AW and must change the a2 break to a compensator?, does it have to be welded? thanks Last edited by moooboy; 07-24-2016 at 4:23 PM.. |
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The handgun AW flowchart is hugely helpful. You can find it here: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
Basically you can run flash hiders, muzzle brakes, no bullet button... use whatever magazines you want (assuming the normal cap ban gets challenged and you had them prior to 2001). Read that flow chart carefully. Vertical forward grips are still a "no-no", along with a number of other things (e.g. you can't go full auto without the proper tax stamps obviously). Of course you'll need to mark your lower receiver according to ATF specification. Registration gives you a *lot* of freedom.
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thanks for the help. Last edited by moooboy; 07-24-2016 at 5:20 PM.. |
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How do you chop down a 7.5" barrel and why would you?
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Just chop the threads off with a hacksaw, and recrown. No threads=no aw or bullet button.
Not saying shorten, but just enough to make a crown sent from deep within a tomato field |
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is it that simple? i can live without a threaded barrel.
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Idk for sure but according to that flow chart, flow chart and what I've read but
I'm not a lawyer either Edit: I'm wrong. Have to do fixed mag or do the dirty with the gov sent from deep within a tomato field Last edited by islandgrower; 07-24-2016 at 7:40 PM.. |
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Before 01-01-2018, one of the following options must be done: A. Register it as an assault weapon. B. Replace the "bullet button" maglock with a maglock that does not allow the magazine to be removed without disassembling the firearm's action. (example... ARMagLock & BB Reloaded) C. Install a fixed 10 round magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action. (example. Franklin Armory DFM) D. Take it out-of-state for storage or to be transferred through an out-of-state FFL dealer. E. Surrendered to law enforcement for destruction. In order to register it or transfer it, it must be properly engraved/marked. Markings must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch. Markings must use Roman letters (A, B, C, etc.) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc). Markings must include: 1) Serial Numbers (can not be just a name, must contain numerals) 2) Model 3) Caliber 4) Manufacturer's name 5) City & State where the Manufacturer is located Since you made the receiver, you are the manufacturer. So, your name (first & last) and city/state needs to be engraved on it. If you do not properly mark/engrave the firearm before 07-01-2018, then you must apply to CA DOJ BOF for the required markings for home built firearms. [PC 29180(b)] Starting 01-01-2019, possession of a home built firearm without identifying information will be illegal. [PC 29180(f)] In addition, it will also be illegal to transfer home built firearms, unless it is to surrender them to law enforcement. [PC 29180(d)] |
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While yes, you are subjecting yourself to the whims of the CA RAW system, it does (if they don't move the bar again) mean a lot more latitude for what you are able to do within the confines of NFA with an AR pistol... e.g. fully featured (pistol) sans bullet button. The only limit for us moving forward, barring other changes, is that we'll be limited to 10-round mags. Honestly, despite the downsides, the RAW thing for AR pistols in CA are arguably game changing for how practical they can be as compact "truck gun" or what have you... Last edited by scootle; 07-26-2016 at 7:40 PM.. |
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RAWs can only be legally possessed in specific locations authorized by CA laws and can only be legally transported directly to & from those specific locations. [PC 30945] Authorized locations: A. On the registered owner's private property or on another person's private property with written permission to do so. [PC 30945(a)] B. While at a target range ran by a public or private shooting club/organization. [PC 30945(b)] C. While at a licensed target range. [PC 30945(c)] D. While at F&G licensed shooting club. [PC 30945(d)] E. While at a LE sponsored/approved educational event. [PC 30945(e)] F. While on public land with authorization from the Gov agency that manages that land. [PC 30945(f)] |
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That said... "transportation to and from" is always a pretty wide avenue for interpretation... do we need to carry around a letter from our friend stating we are allowed to transport the RAW to their home? PS I wonder how this might affect firearms trainers and their class setups... will they need additional paperwork to accommodate all the incoming RAWs if the host range doesn't have everything squared away? Last edited by scootle; 07-26-2016 at 9:52 PM.. |
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People have been arrested, jailed, and prosecuted for not transporting their RAWs directly to and from authorized locations. In order to be fully covered, your friend will need to provide you with written permission (dated & signed) for you to bring and possess your RAW on his property. Quote:
No written permission needed to go to a range. Written permission needed to go to another person's private property. |
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Always a minefield with this stuff. Don't get pulled over. |
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That's my moto. Don't give them a reason to pull you over and you should never have any problems. (Should)
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No truck gun cause RAW must only be transported between home and range, etc., correct?
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