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California Internet Sales Tax and Reloading Supplies
It's too early to tell but, I strongly suspect California Shooters are in for a big surprize. Gov. "Moonbeam" and his Socialist Central Committee in Sacramento now require out-of-state internet stores to collect California Sales Tax. For example, if you buy primers, bullets or, powder from a store in Kansas City, they will have to charge California Sales Tax and forward it to Sacramento. I suspect many stores will quit selling to California.
Amazon has already terminated internet sales to California. Same thing happened in Michigan. I could be wrong but, I suspect we are in real touble as far as getting reloading supplies. Or anything else for that matter. Time will tell.
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I thought that Amazon was terminating it's affiliation with its businesses in California to get around the tax law? Which is still a loss for CA as it will be a loss of business. But I wasn't aware of anything regarding terminating internet sales to CA.
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Noone has terminated internet sales.
Here's what actually happened: The Supreme Court ruled a few years back that you could only force a company to collect sales tax for your locality if they had a physical presence in your state or locality. California thinks it can somehow overrule this precedent simply by willing it so. Amazon, to be on the safe side, has cut loose its California affiliates, that is, those who had pass through advertising, or sold their products through Amazon, so that there can be no question they have any physical presence here. Thus, when I ordered from Amazon today, my shopping cart was not taxed. I received a thanks, and your order will ship shortly. There has been NO change in internet sales to California from Amazon. There will likely be no change from any other seller who understands the law. What HAS happened is about 50k people in California just took a major income hit, California will collect no additional sales tax, and many businesses will move out of state, further depressing our tax collections. California, the state too dumb to live.
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I guess our state borders will be open for commerce, they are violating trade rules between state commerse laws. Give all Tax Money to the Gun Friendly states let this bite Brown Shorts in the Behind. It will open the gates for boot legg ammo and it may become cheaper that before because the #1 purchasing state, Commiefornia will be locked out via web sales. Boot Legg Ammo, outlawing booze did not work? will this ***-embly Bill? Stipid is Stupid Does, right Forrest? Jerry Brown and His Weebles fit the description very well. Broke and going Broker from laws meant to kill revenue. He Does Stuoid therefore Is.
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how the hell is gov. brown going to force companies in other states to collect tax on californias behalf?
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You have it backwards. The Governor is trying to make it so all California based Internet businesses have to charge EVERYONE sales tax, rather than just charging California customers sales tax. The end result being people like me get run out of business all together. Because there is no way in hell somebody in Texas is going to buy from me and pay sales tax when he can pay less by buying from somebody in another state.
This has NOT happened yet. It is simply a proposal. That is all. It is not a law yet. Amazon is firing a warning shot by take the action Briancnelson described in his post above. It is meant to help fire up Californian's and get them calling their representatives to complain and to give Brown a wake up call. Last edited by tacticalcity; 07-02-2011 at 11:53 PM.. |
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exactly. California is too large an entity to ignore. i don't blame amazon for doing what it did.
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No one stand ups to the illegals, drug dealers, politicians. A real shame! In the end, were only to blame.
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Apparently California really wants to lose tax dollars (i.e., income tax). Oh well, more proof this state is going down the crapper. |
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I would rather see the other 49 states send in the Army and recapture Kalifornia, then push south and annex Mexico.
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They were trying to collect on if you have a physical store in CA or affiliates / subsidiaries in CA. Since Amazon cut off these small biz in CA, products will still ship from other states to CA without being taxed.
If you buy from out of state you still will not be taxed, you are suppose to report it on your own. If you didnt know, CA lowered tax by 1%. what was 9.75% in Concord is now 8.75 Pittsburg walnut creek etc 8.25%
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Gov Moonbeam just signed a death certificate for many Ca. mail order companies. It is LAW EFFECTIVE July 1. I know that 5 other states have the same law. Amazon cut ties with affiliates in those states AND THE TAX REVENUE WENT DOWN IN THOSE STATES. Way to go Moonbeam!!!!
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Wow, glad to see so many Republicans on this liberal gun site! Usually threads like this end up becoming bickering wars there is so many liberals around here.
Keep voting "R" guys, that's about all we can do at this stage to help the battle. I'm not moving out, so it's all I can do to stay sane. These idiot politicians think they can do what ever they want when it comes to taxes. This is just one more example of it. For all you guys that hang out here and don't vote straight "R," you're part of the problem. I'd bet that there are a few in this thread alone that voted for this idiot. |
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If you live outside of California and buy something from a California company you do not pay sales tax. Bottom lines is this, if you reside in the same state as the company, you pay sales tax (the business collects it on behalf of the state) otherwise you don't (er... it is your responsibility to claim it on your annual state taxes (yeah right )
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That's why they cut loose the affiliates, because California was prepared to argue that someone just ADVERTISING on your behalf who lived in the state constituted a physical presence. Thus requiring Amazon to collect sales tax on California residents. Amazon responded the way they have every time a state tried this, and simply cut the program, leaving the poor communist state legislature floundering around in its own stupidity, and a lot of people desiring to move to another state or open a corporation in Nevada so they can regain their income stream.
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I am tired of being taxed left and right by Sac politicians! Sign me up for the van pool to Reno shopping trips.
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It already went through...
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If you import anything from out of state and you did not pay California sales taxx on it, it is subject to an excise tax. This is nothing new. There has been a place to declare these purchases on your state income tax form for decades. Not declaring these purchases is nothing short of tax evasion. Tax evasion is not hard to prove. Remember that it was the only crime Al Capone was ever convicted of and he did hard time for it. So, keep posting about your carpools on an open form. I'm sure that you and your friends have always declared these purchases, right?
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I still laugh at how this country was built to have no taxes. Yet we have stupid bs taxes added every year and the gov spends it worse than the king ever did
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So after reading the rules (or USA Today article) I understand it like this - if we (hkparts.net) pay a California affiliate (Calguns.net) to sell product / advertise (ie discussion board and classified section) then we will have to start collecting sales tax.
"An 'affiliate' is a website with advertising that links buyers to sites." I don't really feel that it hurts our business as long as everyone does it. Then we play on equal ground. |
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HK... And then the shoppers will go find another site that does not charge sales tax and save 8%-9%. I know that I would. Oh, and of course I would put it on my annual tax form for the state.
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I'm well aware of that "place to declare these purchases on your state income tax". I'm equally aware that it's unenforceable because it's unconstitutional. US Constitution, Section 9: Quote:
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The bottom line
And a little more constitutional backup!
States, especially the PRK, are hurting for cash and don't give a rat's donkey how unconstitutional their laws are, so freely step on rights thinking there is little the average person can do about it (but see link below). The fed constitution clearly says: CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES Article I Section 9. No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. Section 10. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress. So even if Congress were to authorize states to collect sales tax across state lines by calling it an import or export duty, the money would have to be handed over to the feds, not Sacramento, without a constitutional amendment. The real bottom line is it is up to "we the people" to stop guv (fed, state, county, city, whatever) from enacting or enforcing unconstitutional laws. There is more than one way to vote "No" to such unconstitutional acts. Just plain old voting the rascals out doesn't seem to carry much weight in lib states like the PRK because we are overwhelmed with a lot of gullible followers of the left wing promises of utopia, more appropriately called useful idiots. We can always vote with our feet, but that is usually highly disruptive, or we can vote with our wallets, but we may end up hurting the neighborhood gun store more than Sacramento. I guess you could say Amazon has chosen to vote with their feet and wallet! But there is one more vote that carries far more weight than any of the above when it comes to throwing out unconstitutional laws, but too few people know enough about it. Read at least the first section of this link and you'll be in the know! Just what part of "shall not be infringed" do politicians not understand anyway? |
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Bottom line: If it were legal and constitutional you can bet your a** they would be enforcing it. The only reason they're not is because they can't! But hey if you're feeling charitable by all means claim that purchase! |
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Letters were sent from the BOE to businesses and professionals with high incomes telling them to review their purchases for the previous 3 years and pay any "use tax" if they owed any and hinted at the possibility of an audit for failure to comply. Yes, scare tactics.
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iirc you don't have to pay taxes on any gifts right? so just get someone out of state to buy something for you as a gift, then bring it back as usual. (give buddy one of those visa gift credit cards since those aren't taxed and exchanging gifts between two friends is legal)
no more worrying about getting caught on tax evasion if you are that paranoid about it.
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