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Old 03-14-2017, 8:08 PM
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I want to know if this is a waste of time and money. I was denied by my county Sheriff. Then I applied with the Sheriff in the county I work in. I was approved over the phone and after a long conversation He told me it was only good for 90 days and could only carry in that county. After the 90 days I would have to go through the process again and also get approval from my Sheriff. Is this a waste of time and money or could this be a strategy to help get a ccw from my Sheriff?
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What county do you live in? That is the million dollar question. Second question is why were you denied, which could have a lot to do with answer #1
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I want to know if this is a waste of time and money. I was denied by my county Sheriff. Then I applied with the Sheriff in the county I work in. I was approved over the phone and after a long conversation He told me it was only good for 90 days and could only carry in that county. After the 90 days I would have to go through the process again and also get approval from my Sheriff. Is this a waste of time and money or could this be a strategy to help get a ccw from my Sheriff?
I am not an attorney and nothing I write is legal advice.

Let me break this down to make sure I'm understanding you.

(1) You applied w/the sheriff of the county of your residence and were denied (presumably for insufficient GC).

(2) You then applied for a business CCW w/the sheriff of the county of the site of your business and were approved (along w/the usual business CCW limitations).

(3) You're asking if getting the latter will somehow convince the sheriff of the county of your residence that they were wrong in denying your a CCW and to: (a) change their mind about their GC standard, (b) change their mind about you, and (c) issue you a "normal" CCW?

If that's what you're asking, IMO, the question is answered in the asking....

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What county do you live in? That is the million dollar question. Second question is why were you denied, which could have a lot to do with answer #1
I live in Santa Barbara county and was denied due to cause was not good enough.
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I am not an attorney and nothing I write is legal advice.

Let me break this down to make sure I'm understanding you.

(1) You applied w/the sheriff of the county of your residence and were denied (presumably for insufficient GC).

(2) You then applied for a business CCW w/the sheriff of the county of the site of your business and were approved (along w/the usual business CCW limitations).

(3) You're asking if getting the latter will somehow convince the sheriff of the county of your residence that they were wrong in denying your a CCW and to: (a) change their mind about their GC standard, (b) change their mind about you, and (c) issue you a "normal" CCW?

If that's what you're asking, IMO, the question is answered in the asking....
That is correct. Same cause in both counties.
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I live in Santa Barbara county and was denied due to cause was not good enough.
It is not going to happen in Santa Barbara county. So if your angle is to try and convince Santa Barbara to issue you a CCW, just because you got a temp permit in another county, then yes you are wasting your time and money.

And I am not a lawyer, just a guy who keeps it real. Santa Barbara is virtually zero issue to civilians.
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It is not going to happen in Santa Barbara county. So if your angle is to try and convince Santa Barbara to issue you a CCW, just because you got a temp permit in another county, then yes you are wasting your time and money.

And I am not a lawyer, just a guy who keeps it real. Santa Barbara is virtually zero issue to civilians.
Thanks for your advise. I was thinking along the same lines. It just made me think because San Luis Obispo kinda was hinting, at least that was my feeling.
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That is correct. Same cause in both counties.
Well, if you're a rich dude, and you can easily afford to have your personal secretary fill out the forms every 90 days (for your signatures), and afford the costs of 4 business CCW apps/yr, go for the business CCW and just keep renewing it!

Everyday, when you pass into SLO Co, you get to "gear up" for the workday and part of your commute home.

See, it ALWAYS pays to be rich!
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Well, if you're a rich dude, and you can easily afford to have your personal secretary fill out the forms every 90 days (for your signatures), and afford the costs of 4 business CCW apps/yr, go for the business CCW and just keep renewing it!

Everyday, when you pass into SLO Co, you get to "gear up" for the workday and part of your commute home.

See, it ALWAYS pays to be rich!
I wouldn't waist my money and time for only to carry in one county in this State. I'll just wait and see what happens with Peruta and HR 38.
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Well, if you're a rich dude, and you can easily afford to have your personal secretary fill out the forms every 90 days (for your signatures), and afford the costs of 4 business CCW apps/yr, go for the business CCW and just keep renewing it!

Everyday, when you pass into SLO Co, you get to "gear up" for the workday and part of your commute home.

See, it ALWAYS pays to be rich!
The bigger issue is that with the recent change (effective 1/1/17?), renewal of the non-resident work/business CCW requires the concurrence of approval from the CLEO where one resides.

In other words, no more perpetual renewals without approval from the CLEO where one resides.
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The bigger issue is that with the recent change (effective 1/1/17?), renewal of the non-resident work/business CCW requires the concurrence of approval from the CLEO where one resides.

In other words, no more perpetual renewals without approval from the CLEO where one resides.
Do you have a citation for this? The way I read it last, the CLEO where one resides only get NOTIFIED but their approval is not required.
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Do you have a citation for this? The way I read it last, the CLEO where one resides only get NOTIFIED but their approval is not required.
26220. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=26220.
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(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section and in subdivision (c) of Section 26210, a license issued pursuant to Section 26150 or 26155 is valid for any period of time not to exceed two years from the date of the license.

(b) If the licensee’s place of employment or business was the basis for issuance of a license pursuant to Section 26150, the license is valid for any period of time not to exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued. The licensee shall give a copy of this license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides. The licensing authority that originally issued the license shall inform the licensee verbally and in writing in at least 16-point type of this obligation to give a copy of the license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county of residence. Any application to renew or extend the validity of, or reissue, the license may be granted only upon the concurrence of the licensing authority that originally issued the license and the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides.
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The bigger issue is that with the recent change (effective 1/1/17?), renewal of the non-resident work/business CCW requires the concurrence of approval from the CLEO where one resides.

In other words, no more perpetual renewals without approval from the CLEO where one resides.


Why am I not surprised?

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Did that change require a bill to get passed and signed into law? If so, when did that happen?

(It's kinda hard to keep up with all the ways Sacto screws gun owners in this state.)
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Thank you. So the first issuance is notify only but any subsequent renewals require concurrence. Not sure how that makes sense, but like most things coming out of Sacto - I guess we shouldn't expect it to.
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I live in Santa Barbara county and was denied due to cause was not good enough.
Yesterday, my buddy was interviewed for his CCW. Good cause wasn't brought up at all.

As long as you have a clean record and are assessed as being of good moral character, you're a shoe-in.

Same State, different County. Weird, right?

I feel sorry for my brothers and sisters in Occupied Libtard California.
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Yesterday, my buddy was interviewed for his CCW. Good cause wasn't brought up at all.

As long as you have a clean record and are assessed as being of good moral character, you're a shoe-in.

Same State, different County. Weird, right?

I feel sorry for my brothers and sisters in Occupied Libtard California.
What county? Must be nice!!
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Did that change require a bill to get passed and signed into law? If so, when did that happen?

(It's kinda hard to keep up with all the ways Sacto screws gun owners in this state.)
Apparently that has been in the law for quite a while - that language is in the 2010 bill that re-orged the Dangerous Weapons Control laws.

No, I don't remember seeing it before, either.
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Shasta County.

There are a few hoops that need to be jumped through, but nothing compared to my SoCal neighbors.
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Shasta County.

There are a few hoops that need to be jumped through, but nothing compared to my SoCal neighbors.
Wish his thinking was State wide!
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Wish his thinking was State wide!
Sheriff Bosenko has been raked across the coals by some. That being said, he's got my vote.
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I live in LA County. I had a lot of work in Ventura County. I applied in Ventura County and was issued a 90 day permit. I renewed it 2 times. It is a PAIN IN THE @$$.

I let it expire.

The only good thing was they allowed 4 firearms only permit.
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Did that change require a bill to get passed and signed into law?
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If so, when did that happen?

(It's kinda hard to keep up with all the ways Sacto screws gun owners in this state.)
At least seven years ago; Prior to the recodification of 2010. The end of the statute shows:
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I live in LA County. I had a lot of work in Ventura County. I applied in Ventura County and was issued a 90 day permit. I renewed it 2 times. It is a PAIN IN THE @$$.

I let it expire.

The only good thing was they allowed 4 firearms only permit.
Yeah, that blows

At least I am capable of renewing every two years without going through a cavity search, for now....

The morons in Sacramento don't get it.

Leave us alone! We are not the problem! Your misguided laws do not affect criminals in the least. They will do what they want to. Pretty simple if you think about it.
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