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When the Lompoc City council were doing there search for a new Chief they chose a candidate from out of the area, in part to break that bond.
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Paladin, thank you for the effort. I'm surprised and disappointed by the lack of positive response.
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it looks like its squeaky wheel time. Maybe a freedom of information request for the Memorandum of Understanding for each of the cities. Then go from there and work your way up the ladder until possible facetime with some elected officials, or Chief of Police. Then get phone #s and call the crapout of their offices.
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I live in Carlsbad. I have asked my chief of police for a CCW permit, he told me it must go through the SDSD. So there you have it.
You can't believe how much work we have done here for gun rights. It's taken us almost two years to get a permit for Gunther Guns to open a firing range here. That may happen next summer, IF we are lucky. This is a conservative town but we still have idiots on our city council. Yes, change takes time here. We are not sitting on our butts but we also realize the obsticles we face here. I'm getting old so this may be passed on to the next generation to finish. |
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Since you guys live right in your own cities, this will be a lot easier than something requiring you to show up at county supervisors meeting, much less legislative hearings in Sac. Do not be surprised if this takes a couple of city council election cycles (to replace antis with pros and to convince others to merely change their positions). Quote:
I, too, would like to carry before I'm ... That's why I started these LA and SD Co. threads: to crack the anti CCW county strongholds in CA. Unfortunately for me, there are ZERO cities in SF, San Mateo, Alameda or Contra Costa counties with anything but minor Repub majorities. At least you guys have got a chance to improve your situation....
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The problem remains, our local PD's will not issue. I can argue with my Chief until I'm blue in the face and I will get the same response.
The SDSD can issue, but they won't. They have the final say here, whether it's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Only a large public incident like a terrorist attack can change those views here. Even so, that incident in SB last year didn't change much there either. Getting quiters to stay and fight and attempting to lower the foreign immigration rates could help, but it seems to be fashionable to say you are quitting here and immigrants do not bring the concept of gun rights with them. |
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Back in early July 2015 I made 5 posts in the OT "707 Banter" thread to try to motivate, guide and help Sonoma gunnies to organize to push your sheriff to accept SD as GC. You should review those suggestions. Use "Advanced Search"; enter "Banter" and "Search Titles Only" in "search by keyword", use "Paladin" as "search by username", and select "Posts" on the lower left in "Show results as". I did 5 posts over July 11th and 13th, with this being the first post:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...r#post16593010
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The four most likely cities to instructions their chief of police to issue are La Mesa, El Cajon, Escondido, and Oceanside. SDCGO is discussing the option with members of each council.
Under state law (Penal code) a police chief has the same authority to issue a CCW as the sheriff. A police chief works for the council so he won't do it unless told to by the council he works for. We believe we have the votes. Now it's just a matter of working it through the process and we are in an election year. I'm hoping to have one or all 4 vote on it by the end of the year. -Michael |
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Anybody else in Coronado? I know the mayor, most of city council, and did a charity fashion show with chief Jon Froomin. I can ask around about feelings on the matter.
I don't check forums much, but will try to check here. Anyone interested in working on this, shoot me an email. Sensei@coronadokarate.com |
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The loss of the Peruta en banc decision means that CA CCW law won't be improving for awhile, so that makes these city PD reform efforts in anti counties all that much more vital.
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Peruta now has given Bill Gore all the ammo he needs to prevent CCW's from being issued here.
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El Cajon, La Mesa, Escondido, and Oceanside all still look very good to direct their police chief to issue.
It is very important that Mike Diaz and Jason Paguio get elected in Chula Vista too. That means supporting them by donating money to them and donating your time. |
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If you guys wait for Gore to announce, he'll probably game the system to get who he wants to replace him (probably an anti). (Read online re. how sleazy, anti CCW Alameda Co sheriff (yes, lower case "s") Plummer did that to get Ahern in. Plummer said he'd run again, so no one organized and got local/state politico endorsements lined up to run. Then just a couple of weeks before the deadline, he announced he would not run and announced his endorsement of Ahern, who then filed. On the last day to file, Plummer, Ahern and their toadies all went down to where they file and had a party when no one else filed by the deadline. Thus, only 1 candidate => automatic win. ) Quote:
Yes, politics is a numbers game: money + manpower + voters = success! I hope your org plans to support a pro-CCW candidate to replace/run against Gore. Don't get suckered by Gore the way Alameda County residents got suckered by that scum Plummer.
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You don't know how the Sheriff is selected here in San Diego. First, they last for years. Once they decide to retire, a hand-picked replacement is subbed in, usually before the election. Then the local media buys into the "he will keep us safe crappola" and you get Gore ver. 2.0.
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Anyone know how unincorporated areas within one of the cities mentioned works? I am looking at the granite hills area of El Cajon and it looks like it's in an unincorporated part of El Cajon (with an El Cajon address)...does this matter and would they check the specific address to see if it was incorporated or not?
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I think Escondido is doable. The Council is fairly conservative, and Chief Carter is supposed to be a good, levelheaded guy.
I think the first step in any attempt like this is to put together a Powerpoint / bullet point type of presentation that quickly hits on the pertinent facts... history of shall-issue reform and an analysis of crime, specifically including those committed by permit holders. Then, we have to think up the objections that would be raised, like liability, and have answers ready. It has to be a two-pronged approach, as it won't do to convince the Chief but not the Council or vice-versa. Both have to be on board. Having examples like Lompoc to point to will help... "They did it, her's how, and nothing bad has happened there." It's also possible that the "understanding" that issuance is ceded to the Sheriff is politically untouchable. I very much doubt that Mr. Gore will be happy to see any PD in the County issuing permits, and will certainly pick up a phone to the Chief in question, then any and all politicos who could lean on him or her. SDSO might have and be willing to swing a big hammer in the form of interdepartmental cooperation, funding, etc. Most important, like the La Mesa example given, this needs to be handled very carefully. People screaming about "their rights" or how awful Gore is or the terrorists are coming will poison any attempt to change things.
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AB 466 is a direct attack on these efforts to liberalize CCW issuance.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1212119
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Come to a meeting and we will get you involved, also check out our voting guide and vote 2A
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Plz keep us updated, as long as it does not compromise operations....
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I haven't read this whole thread yet but I am glad I was pointed this direction. I started a thread called moving to San Diego. which is in my near future. and I have a little bit more hope after reading a few pages of this thread.
Since it looks like I am going to be moving to Escondido and reading your guyses post. Escondido is more on the conservative side then I would say most. so I feel a little better about that just a little. So you can guarantee I will be in the fight with all of you and support you 100% .it is going to be weird to have to give up my CCW, hopefully only a little while. I lived in Escondido some 25 years ago for a short time and I will tell you it's the only place I've had a gun pulled on me. EZ
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I saw Gore on TV this morning. No discussions of CCW's but plenty about illegal aliens, a term Gore still will not use.
We got the same old tired and debunked crappola about making illegal aliens feel safe so they will report crimes and even appear in court! Nothing has changed with that RINO Gore and the rest of the sanctuary city supporters. They still don't understand illegal aliens don't trust he police in their own countries, less so here. They don't understand that illegal aliens will not report gang crimes in fear of retaliation. They will not testify in court over immigration fears even though a law in in place to protect them for that. |
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I know this thread is old but was very helpful!!! I'm in Carlsbad and want to apply for a concealed carry. I had a 5 year restraining order that just lapsed against a violent man and am also a domestic violence advocate, so some unhappy abusers. I want the right to defend myself 🇺🇸
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